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Boleslaw I
Recently I have personally asked Yun about a kind of armour which I believe it belongs to the Mongols. I am expecting a little more information as well as discussion upon this.



According to Yun, the rider wears a kind of lamellar cuirass. Yet it seems to me that this cuirass only protect the front of his body. Each of its component is fastened to his arms, his legs.

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Hello Yun!

I have heard a lot about you. I just have a question to ask if you don't mind. Hum.., hopefully I did not disturb you.

It is like this. I saw this Mongol armour in totalwarcenter. I remember I saw it somewhere but cannot remember and I intend to post a thread to introduce this Chinese style armour. But I am really sure so I only want to ask whether or not it is a Chinese armour or not. If not, then do you know its term, where does this come from. I just need for sure so I don't spread "disinformation" upon this forum.



Thanks




Hi Boleslaw,

That is a largely accurate depiction of horse armour used by the Jurchen (Jin) and Song armies, and later also by the Mongols. The sources for it are Song-period art and military manuals.

As for the rider's armour, that is a standard lamellar style that had remained essentially unchanged for centuries.

regards,
Yun
General_Zhaoyun
Sorry for my ignorance, what is a "cuirass"?
kaiselin
QUOTE (General_Zhaoyun @ Feb 28 2008, 12:02 AM) *
Sorry for my ignorance, what is a "cuirass"?



Upper body armor, a chest protector.
大泽升龙
QUOTE (kaiselin @ Feb 28 2008, 05:29 PM) *
Upper body armor, a chest protector.

You should say it clearly, it is for the horse or rider?
tadamson
QUOTE (大泽升龙 @ Feb 28 2008, 05:37 PM) *
You should say it clearly, it is for the horse or rider?


It's a western term for the man reaches from waist to sholders (from 1460s).

As to the original question this style of armour includeds full front and back protection for the rider.

I should add that the sleeves in the drwaing are a little odd, typically this type of shoulder boards reach down to the elbow and the forearm is protected by tubular vambraces or armoured gloves.
Yun
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I should add that the sleeves in the drwaing are a little odd, typically this type of shoulder boards reach down to the elbow and the forearm is protected by tubular vambraces or armoured gloves.


I noticed that too. Extending the shoulder protector to cover the arms would make the arm area rather stiff and inflexible, I think.

The cuirass is now usually understood to be a piece of metal plate armour, even though its Latin root word "coriaceus" ironically means "made of leather". See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuirass which nonetheless has a photo of a reconstructed "lamellar armour cuirass".
TMPikachu
There is Chinese armor of similar fashion, I've seen some on Thomas Chen's website

http://thomaschen.freewebspace.com/images/...wleafsabers.jpg

armor runs down the length of the arm.

http://chinese-armour.freewebspace.com/custom.html

though in that case, the arm armor is smaller, and there is another separate shoulder piece that goes over

Boleslaw I
QUOTE (TMPikachu @ Mar 2 2008, 02:14 PM) *
There is Chinese armor of similar fashion, I've seen some on Thomas Chen's website

http://thomaschen.freewebspace.com/images/...wleafsabers.jpg

armor runs down the length of the arm.

http://chinese-armour.freewebspace.com/custom.html

though in that case, the arm armor is smaller, and there is another separate shoulder piece that goes over


I cannot get into the first link.
Boleslaw I
QUOTE (Boleslaw I @ Mar 3 2008, 03:00 AM) *
I cannot get into the first link.


Does anyone know the name of this specific type of armour?
zizizi
it is Ba***rd!

the sword: "柳叶刀"/Liuyedao/(willow-leave Sword?), later than middle Ming dynasty. Qing dynasty, maybe.
the helmet for the rider: Mongolian-style
the arm armour for the rider : "环臂铠"/Huanbikai/, The late Ming dynasty.
the body armour for the rider: Liao(辽) dynasty ~ Southern-song dynasty(but it's no "披膊", is soldier's armour. ) or Tibetan armour, maybe.
the helmet for the horse: "面帘"/Mianlian,later than Jin(晋) Dynasty, however, must not be later than Song dynasty.
the body armour for the horse: .....deformity....
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