QUOTE (mariusj @ May 17 2008, 06:03 AM)

The guy aimed and shot a gun. I don't consider that to be part of martial arts. It is a ryu simply b/c no one know how to shoot back then and those who did are consider to be masters. Like I don't consider shooting a bow really really good martial art. It is martial, but not martial art b/c we already gave martial art some specific meanings.
I have a question: by "we already gave martial art some specific meanings" whom do you mean by 'we'?
And it is pretty much inaccurate to think that "no one know how to shoot back then", western firearms had arrived in Japan in 1543, and by 1560 it was pretty much in use by warring states in Japan. AFAIK Prior to its arrival the Japan daimyos had tried to integrate Chinese firearm,but favoured the western ones after its arrival.
QUOTE (Yang Zongbao @ May 17 2008, 09:42 AM)

In the broadest of definitions, it really is a martial art, or at least a discipline.
However, it is not a martial art in the popular sense that people typically envision martial arts as dealing with hand to hand or unarmed combat. More specific terms for disciplines involving ranged weapons would simply be "Archery" and "Gunnery"; which is why we use those terms instead of referring to them as "Martial Arts". Aside from the ritualization, if we boil down hojutsu, it is merely the firing of a gun; this is a discipline that existed in every gun-using state of old.
Fair enough I guess.