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bjluke
For those not familiar (from Wikipedia):

"According to Däniken, one Chi Pu Tei (Chinese:齊福泰), a professor of archeology at Beijing University, in 1938 was on an expedition with his students to explore a series of caves in the Bayan Kara Ula range of the Himalayan mountains, near Qinghai region. Däniken claims that the caves appeared to have been artificially carved into a system of tunnels and underground storerooms, with walls that were squared and glazed, as if cut into the mountain with great heat.

The explorers are said by Däniken to have found many neat rows of tombs with short 138 cm skeletons buried within. The skeletons had abnormally big heads, and small, thin, fragile bodies. A member of the team suggested that these might be the remains of an unknown species of mountain gorilla. Prof. Chi Pu Tei was said to respond, "Who ever heard of apes burying one another?"

There were no epitaphs at the graves, but instead hundreds of 30 cm wide stone discs - referred to as Dropa Stones - each with a 20 mm hole in their centers. Each stone disk was said to be inscribed with two fine grooves spiraling from the edge to a hole in the disk's center, resembling the Phaistos Disk. The disks were labeled along with other finds of the expedition and stored away at Beijing University for 20 years, during which deciphering attempts were unsuccessful.

Däniken further claims that the disks were closely examined by one Dr. Tsum Um Nui of Beijing around 1958, who concluded that each groove actually consisted of a series of tiny hieroglyphs of unknown pattern and origin. The rows of hieroglyphs were so small that a magnifying glass was needed to see them clearly. Many of the hieroglyphics had been worn away by erosion. When Dr. Tsum somehow deciphered the symbols, they told the story of the crash-landing of the Dropa spaceship and the killing of most of the survivors by local people.

According to Däniken, one of the lines of the hieroglyphs reads,

"The Dropas came down from the clouds in their aircraft. Our men, women and children hid in the caves ten times before sunrise. When at last they understood the sign language of the Dropas, they realized that the newcomers had peaceful intentions…"

Another section expresses "regret" by the Ham that the aliens' craft had crash-landed in such a remote and inaccessible mountain range and that there had been no way to build a new one to enable the Dropas to return to their own planet.

"Tsum Um Nui" is not a real Chinese name and it has been suggested it was either fictitious or was a Japanese name that was transliterated into Chinese, though the syllable "Um" is not phonologically possible in the Japanese language."



I have been researching these for quite sometime, but every trail I've found has turned up cold. sad.gif Anyway, what are your opinions about these 'stones'?
kaiselin
Interesting story. I am skeptical of a translation without a Rosetta stone type key to help decipher a strange code.

The alien stories are in many cultures, but how much of them I really believe is minuscule. What happened to the skeletons? Were there ever any pictures of these ?

DNA should be able to tell us a lot.
Pattie
QUOTE (bjluke @ May 9 2008, 01:15 AM) *
Anyway, what are your opinions about these 'stones'?



kaiselin
QUOTE (Pattie @ May 9 2008, 09:38 AM) *



Ha Ha, Careful Pattie, you are showing your age. Excellent example. I will bet half the members have no idea of what that is.
Pattie
QUOTE (kaiselin @ May 9 2008, 10:06 AM) *
Ha Ha, Careful Pattie, you are showing your age. Excellent example. I will bet half the members have no idea of what that is.



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bjluke
Yeah, I havent came across any evidence confirming the existance of the stones. And even if the stones do exist, I don't think they are alien in origin, but rather perhaps contained some poorly decoded myth or etc.

There is no record of such a professor, or even such a department ever having existed at Peking University. Though a few different "in-the-know" people in China have told me that the stones are in a museum in Xi'an (but not on publis display). i highly doubt it, but I'll follow up. I think other people have followed the Xi'an trail in the past and it turned out cold.

Pattie, what is that symbol? Looks like a crop circle!

kaiselin
QUOTE (bjluke @ May 9 2008, 10:15 AM) *
Pattie, what is that symbol? Looks like a crop circle!


LOL

Not even close, you are freezing
Pattie
QUOTE (bjluke @ May 9 2008, 10:15 AM) *
Pattie, what is that symbol? Looks like a crop circle!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEfqEvPJ4ok...feature=related

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bjluke
QUOTE (Pattie @ May 9 2008, 05:42 PM) *



The Alarm! I have several friends that like them, but I never gave them a fair listen tongue.gif I'm no spring chicken myself!

Also, I tracked down a History Channel documentary about the Dropa stones and surrounding legends/rumors. A worthwhile watch, but after seeing it (and noting the crazy gleam in the eyes of the interviewed "believers") it seems the evidence points toward a hoax.
kaiselin
QUOTE (bjluke @ May 9 2008, 11:30 PM) *
The Alarm! I have several friends that like them, but I never gave them a fair listen tongue.gif I'm no spring chicken myself!

Also, I tracked down a History Channel documentary about the Dropa stones and surrounding legends/rumors. A worthwhile watch, but after seeing it (and noting the crazy gleam in the eyes of the interviewed "believers") it seems the evidence points toward a hoax.



Truthfully the picture you showed of the Dropa stones just looks like a bi, A bi is an object found from around the time of the ancient Shang culture. It is a circular jade disk with a hole in the center. No one knows exactly what they were used for, but most think they were used in ritual.

I suppose the object Pattie showed might some day confound Archaeologists in the same way if found seperate from what it was used for. She gave you a huge hint, but it was not "The Alarm".
Pattie
QUOTE (kaiselin @ May 10 2008, 07:20 AM) *
Truthfully the picture you showed of the Dropa stones just looks like a bi. A bi is an object found from around the time of the ancient Shang culture. It is a circular jade disk with a hole in the center. No one knows exactly what they were used for, but most think they were used in ritual.


I agree they're bis, but I think the internal shaping is remarkable. Do we know how many were found? Perhaps they're simply unique to the region.
Pattie
QUOTE (bjluke @ May 9 2008, 01:15 AM) *
The explorers are said by Däniken to have found many neat rows of tombs with short 138 cm skeletons buried within. The skeletons had abnormally big heads, and small, thin, fragile bodies. A member of the team suggested that these might be the remains of an unknown species of mountain gorilla. Prof. Chi Pu Tei was said to respond, "Who ever heard of apes burying one another?"


This kind of stupidity makes me weak. I sincerely hope someone showed him pictures of the Serapeum. I mean, really. If bulls can do it, why not apes? dry.gif




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bjluke
haha the symbol is still a mystery to me!! A turntable perhaps?? o.O
kaiselin
QUOTE (bjluke @ May 13 2008, 09:22 PM) *
haha the symbol is still a mystery to me!! A turntable perhaps?? o.O


So hot you are on fire ! but you don't quite have it yet
Pattie
QUOTE (kaiselin @ May 13 2008, 09:36 PM) *
So hot you are on fire ! but you don't quite have it yet



lol And he's too young to get it.

Kaiselin, I have to tell you, I had a b1tch of a time finding one in use!!!! Plenty of retro art with the adapter, but to find one where it belonged was a 20 minute search!! I think we're a dying breed as we actually know what they're used for! lol Do you remember the sort of tower one that you could push down the entire spindle? This way you would stack your 45s? I was reminded, not too long ago, of my first record player and how it had that little covered depression for extra needles! lol

Ah me. tongue.gif



What do you think...should we combine this thread with the time travel cd thread? lol Get the facts! Ancients using our outmoded technology!
kaiselin
QUOTE (Pattie @ May 14 2008, 09:22 AM) *
lol And he's too young to get it.

Kaiselin, I have to tell you, I had a b1tch of a time finding one in use!!!! Plenty of retro art with the adapter, but to find one where it belonged was a 20 minute search!! I think we're a dying breed as we actually know what they're used for! lol Do you remember the sort of tower one that you could push down the entire spindle? This way you would stack your 45s? I was reminded, not too long ago, of my first record player and how it had that little covered depression for extra needles! lol

Ah me. tongue.gif



What do you think...should we combine this thread with the time travel cd thread? lol Get the facts! Ancients using our outmoded technology!



Ha Ha, yeah I remember the stacks for the records, and the groove for the needles.. I remember having needles that looked like a stylus on a compass that. it's body must have been 3/16 of an inch diameter, and the head at the end of the arm was a circle about 2 and a half inches round. It swiveled up so that it was easier to change the needles, but then I remember my mom replacing burnt out transistor tubes in the back of the TV too.
bjluke
QUOTE (Pattie @ May 14 2008, 09:22 AM) *
lol And he's too young to get it.

Kaiselin, I have to tell you, I had a b1tch of a time finding one in use!!!! Plenty of retro art with the adapter, but to find one where it belonged was a 20 minute search!! I think we're a dying breed as we actually know what they're used for! lol Do you remember the sort of tower one that you could push down the entire spindle? This way you would stack your 45s? I was reminded, not too long ago, of my first record player and how it had that little covered depression for extra needles! lol

Ah me. tongue.gif



What do you think...should we combine this thread with the time travel cd thread? lol Get the facts! Ancients using our outmoded technology!


So basically, the thesis we've arrived at is: The Dropa Stones were were actually ritualistic replicas of old LPs by The Alarm that were taken back in time by time travelers from our distant future to ensure the creation of the record player adapter? tongue.gif Ph.D. here I come!!!!!
Pattie
QUOTE (bjluke @ May 14 2008, 11:39 PM) *
So basically, the thesis we've arrived at is: The Dropa Stones were were actually ritualistic replicas of old LPs by The Alarm that were taken back in time by time travelers from our distant future to ensure the creation of the record player adapter? tongue.gif Ph.D. here I come!!!!!


Ah youth! Do you know what LP stands for?

More work on that thesis, young man! Get back to us. ^__^
kaiselin
QUOTE (Pattie @ May 14 2008, 10:22 AM) *
lol And he's too young to get it.

Kaiselin, I have to tell you, I had a b1tch of a time finding one in use!!!! Plenty of retro art with the adapter, but to find one where it belonged was a 20 minute search!! I think we're a dying breed as we actually know what they're used for! lol Do you remember the sort of tower one that you could push down the entire spindle? This way you would stack your 45s? I was reminded, not too long ago, of my first record player and how it had that little covered depression for extra needles! lol

Ah me. tongue.gif



What do you think...should we combine this thread with the time travel cd thread? lol Get the facts! Ancients using our outmoded technology!



OK Sherman, lets get into the wayback machine and see what happened.
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