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HaSY
does anyone have any information or pictures of ancient chinese hats?
are they just? a cloth wrapped aroung your head? I would like to know their history too!
General_Zhaoyun
Some information regarding chinese hat's history from http://www.insm.org/live/clothes.file/199919021848.shtml

我国戴帽子的历史很久了,早在春秋战国以前,人们都是戴帽子的,并且是皮帽子。只是后来随着封建制度的建立,,等级制度的出现,一般有地位有身份的人才转而戴弁、冠、冕等,帽子转而成了小孩的专用品。到晋代已经要求不是那样很严格了,一般士人亦可戴帽子。实际上在三国时期,凡不做官的士人就可以戴帽子,有名的高士管宁就在家中戴黑布帽子,但在正式场合是不允许戴帽子的,而要按规定戴冠和帻等。

Translation:

China's hat history is very ancient, dating back from Spring/Autumn period, people had already started wearing hats. During that time, hat was made of leather. As the feudal system was established with the appearance of hierachical ranking system, those people started to wear different types of hat such as "Bian", "Guan", "Mian" etc to reflect their social status. Hat also became children's used item. By Jin dynasty, the laws regarding the hat were not so strict and every person can wear hat. Actually, during 3 kingdom period, those who do not work for government can also wear hat. Most famous offical wear black hat at home, and in formal occasion, wearing hat is not allowed, but one has to wear more formal kind of hats such as "Guan" or "Ze" etc.


  有趣的是,在汉族已不是很讲究的时候,作为习惯于戴帽子的少数民族,一面推行汉化制度,一面却严格要求不得戴帽子,还有人为此丢了官。北魏孝文帝一次南征回京,见城里妇女仍有戴帽子穿小袄的,就责备留守的任城王元澄,问他为何不管,元澄辩解说,戴帽子穿小袄的只是少数。孝文帝很生气,质问他:“你是否觉得全城人都应该戴帽子穿小袄呢?”结果将任城王及其他留守的官员全罢免了,演出了我国历史上为帽子而丢官的一幕,可见戴不戴帽子在当时有着重要的政治意义。此事在《魏书》《北史》上都有记载。而据《宋书·礼志》记载,当时的南方,百姓已普遍戴帽子,且士大夫也逐渐以帽子为常服,这对推行汉化的北魏不啻是一个讽刺。  

Translation:

What's interesting is that while the han-chinese no longer emphasized the wearing of hats, the minority ethnic, who were used to wearing hat, started to forbid the wearing of hats as they sinificized. During that time, some even lost their job (for their post in court). There was one time when Northern Wei's Emperor Xiaowen was on his way back to the capital, he saw a girl who is wearing a hat. He reprimanded the governor of that city why he didn't care. The governor said, only a few minority wore hat. Xiaowen was very angry, saying "do you think, all the city folks had to wear hat". As a result, he sacked the governor and all the offficials there. This was the first historical incidence when an offical lost his job because of a 'hat'. From this incident, we can understand that at that time "wearing a hat" had an important political implication. This incident was recorded in "The History of the Northern Wei" and "Northern History". At that time, in the south, it was quite normal and popular for peasants and citizens to wear hat. Also, most officials also wear hat as common part of dressing. This was a satire against the sinification policy of northern Wei.


  由于帽子有其方便的一面,因而北魏以后,士大夫阶级也逐渐戴起了帽子,成为日常生活中的一般打扮。到隋唐以后,由于民族的大融合,帽子成为人们日常普遍的一种服饰,并且和现代的帽子一样,容易脱掉。

Translation:

Because wearing hat was quite convenient, after Northern Wei dynasty, most of the elite began to wear a hat and it became a common fashion. By Sui and Tang period, because of the great mixing of various ethnicities, the hat became a common item in daily dressing. It was also easy to take off, just like today's hat.

  古代人戴帽子也和现在一样,喜欢赶时髦,后周时独孤信打猎时帽子稍微斜了点,结果百姓戴帽子都要学他将帽子斜戴上,以为时髦。隋文帝杨坚未当皇帝以前,因脖子上长有一肉瘤,怕人看见,便戴帽子以遮掩,竟流行而为时尚。

Translation:

The ancient chinese who wore hat were like today's people who like to keep up with fashion. During Later Zhou period, Dugu Xin, when hunting, had his hat slightly slanted, as a result, many chinese began to copy his style of wearing the hat slanted, which became a fashion. After Sui Wendi, Yang Jian, became emperor, because he had a sore bulging out from his neck, afraid that people will see it, he used the hat to cover it up, and this also became a fashion.

  帽子的类很多,魏晋南北朝时期就有突孙帽、大帽子、白纱帽、乌纱帽、皂帽等;唐宋时代有席帽、浑脱帽、毡帽、压耳帽、风帽、妇女戴的帷帽、胡帽等;明清有棕结草帽、遮阳大帽、圆帽、鹅帽、堂帽、巾管帽、瓦楞毡帽、小帽、卷檐毡帽、皮帽、狗头帽、凉帽等等。它们因材质、形状等的不同,而分别具有防风、遮阳、保暖、美饰等功用。这其中最负盛名的乃是乌纱帽。

Translation:

The types of hats were many. During Wei-Jin North South dynasty, there are 'Tu Sun" hat, "Big hat", "Wu Sha" hat, "Zhao" hat etc. During Tang and Song period, there are "Du" hat, "Hun Tuo" hat, "Zhan" Hat, "Ya Er" hat', "Feng" hat as well as the "Wo" hat, "Hu" hat worn by ladies. During Ming and Qing period, there were "Zhong Jie" Grass hat, "Protect against Sun" hat, "Rounded" hat, "Goose" hat, "Tang" hat, "Jin Guan" hat, "Wa Neng Tan" hat, "Small" hat, "Juan Yan Zhan" hat, 'leather' hat, "Dog-head" hat, "liang" hat etc. They differed in quality of mateerial, and shaped and were categorized into different forms of use such as protection from wind, shield against sun, for warming, decoration etc. Amongst all these hat, the most celebrated hat is stilll "Wu Sha" hat.


  乌纱帽,顾名思义就是用黑色的纱制作的帽子。它不是严格的一类帽子,而是将凡是用乌纱制作的帽子都可称为乌纱帽。在隋以前,帝王戴白纱帽。宫官和官宦有戴乌纱帽的。隋唐时乌纱帽成为朝中官员的一般顶戴。到宋代,四脚幞头兴起,原来式样的乌纱帽逐渐废止,但由于幞头亦多用乌纱制作,故仍将幞头称为乌纱帽。宋代乌纱帽多为展脚,即帽翅平展,据说这样可以防止大臣们在朝上窃窃私语。在明代,官员戴的乌纱帽的定制是前低后高呈台阶形,两翅为牛舌形,宽寸余,长五寸,但亦有戴其他样式者。由于明代只有官吏才能戴乌纱帽,故后世将乌纱帽作为官帽的代称。后世在舞台上出现的官员所戴的乌纱帽就是明代的式样。乌纱帽到清代即废止了。 (王亦军)

Translation:

The "Wu Sha" hat, from the name's meaning, implied that it uses the black-colored "Sha" (a type of cotton) to knit. Strictly speaking, it is not a type of hat. It just mean that any hat that uses "Sha" to knit was called "Wu Sha" hat. Before Sui, most emperor wore White Sha Hat. Most official wore "Wu Sha" hat. During Sui-Tang period, "Wu Sha" hat became the common hat worn in court. During Song period, "Wu Sha" hat had extended "legs" (a form of extention ). According to history, this was to prevent officials to engage in secret talks. By Ming period, the "Wu Sha' hat's standard design is: low at the front, high at the back, like a stair-case, the two 'feathers" are like the cow's tongue, had a length of 5 inches. Because during Ming period, only officals can wear "Wu Sha" hat, this thus became the 'offical hat" of court mandarins. By Qing period, "Wu Sha" hat was abolished.


An example of "Wu Sha" hat
HaSY
well...thanks for ur info...Gz
Kenneth
I am not at home at the moment so can't name specifics...but wasnt there a Spring and Autumn official who when his Lord was overthrown he refused to flee and stayed in the city so as to denounce the usurpers from a public square.
A soldier struck at him with a lance and cut the chin strap of his hat. The wounded scholar picked up his hat as the troops closed around him saying 'a gentleman dies with his hat on' and he secured it back atop his heads as the soldiers pierced him and killed him.
Supposed to be one of those tales of loyalty unto death.

I am sure people here will know the story better than me as I wasnt bought up on this stuff.

What was the period...name and such of this tale?
It was very old and shows, as GZ said, that it was a status symbol by the Spring & Autumn.
Kenneth
a good way to see images of dress styles (before photograph existed) is to study the rich record left by the Chinese practice of burying ceramics in tombs.

It is worth periodically checking this site as he always has such objects there and they are authentic (a rare thing on e-bay)
At present he has a few from Han to MIng......

http://www.allensantiques.com
Daggerhelp
QUOTE(General_Zhaoyun @ Mar 6 2005, 07:49 AM) [snapback]4703878[/snapback]
Some information regarding chinese hat's history from http://www.insm.org/live/clothes.file/199919021848.shtml

我国戴帽子的历史很久了,早在春秋战国以前,人们都是戴帽子的,并且是皮帽子。只是后来随着封建制度的建立,,等级制度的出现,一般有地位有身份的人才转而戴弁、冠、冕等,帽子转而成了小孩的专用品。到晋代已经要求不是那样很严格了,一般士人亦可戴帽子。实际上在三国时期,凡不做官的士人就可以戴帽子,有名的高士管宁就在家中戴黑布帽子,但在正式场合是不允许戴帽子的,而要按规定戴冠和帻等。

Translation:

China's hat history is very ancient, dating back from Spring/Autumn period, people had already started wearing hats. During that time, hat was made of leather. As the feudal system was established with the appearance of hierachical ranking system, those people started to wear different types of hat such as "Bian", "Guan", "Mian" etc to reflect their social status. Hat also became children's used item. By Jin dynasty, the laws regarding the hat were not so strict and every person can wear hat. Actually, during 3 kingdom period, those who do not work for government can also wear hat. Most famous offical wear black hat at home, and in formal occasion, wearing hat is not allowed, but one has to wear more formal kind of hats such as "Guan" or "Ze" etc.
  有趣的是,在汉族已不是很讲究的时候,作为习惯于戴帽子的少数民族,一面推行汉化制度,一面却严格要求不得戴帽子,还有人为此丢了官。北魏孝文帝一次南征回京,见城里妇女仍有戴帽子穿小袄的,就责备留守的任城王元澄,问他为何不管,元澄辩解说,戴帽子穿小袄的只是少数。孝文帝很生气,质问他:“你是否觉得全城人都应该戴帽子穿小袄呢?”结果将任城王及其他留守的官员全罢免了,演出了我国历史上为帽子而丢官的一幕,可见戴不戴帽子在当时有着重要的政治意义。此事在《魏书》《北史》上都有记载。而据《宋书·礼志》记载,当时的南方,百姓已普遍戴帽子,且士大夫也逐渐以帽子为常服,这对推行汉化的北魏不啻是一个讽刺。  

Translation:

What's interesting is that while the han-chinese no longer emphasized the wearing of hats, the minority ethnic, who were used to wearing hat, started to forbid the wearing of hats as they sinificized. During that time, some even lost their job (for their post in court). There was one time when Northern Wei's Emperor Xiaowen was on his way back to the capital, he saw a girl who is wearing a hat. He reprimanded the governor of that city why he didn't care. The governor said, only a few minority wore hat. Xiaowen was very angry, saying "do you think, all the city folks had to wear hat". As a result, he sacked the governor and all the offficials there. This was the first historical incidence when an offical lost his job because of a 'hat'. From this incident, we can understand that at that time "wearing a hat" had an important political implication. This incident was recorded in "The History of the Northern Wei" and "Northern History". At that time, in the south, it was quite normal and popular for peasants and citizens to wear hat. Also, most officials also wear hat as common part of dressing. This was a satire against the sinification policy of northern Wei.
  由于帽子有其方便的一面,因而北魏以后,士大夫阶级也逐渐戴起了帽子,成为日常生活中的一般打扮。到隋唐以后,由于民族的大融合,帽子成为人们日常普遍的一种服饰,并且和现代的帽子一样,容易脱掉。

Translation:

Because wearing hat was quite convenient, after Northern Wei dynasty, most of the elite began to wear a hat and it became a common fashion. By Sui and Tang period, because of the great mixing of various ethnicities, the hat became a common item in daily dressing. It was also easy to take off, just like today's hat.

  古代人戴帽子也和现在一样,喜欢赶时髦,后周时独孤信打猎时帽子稍微斜了点,结果百姓戴帽子都要学他将帽子斜戴上,以为时髦。隋文帝杨坚未当皇帝以前,因脖子上长有一肉瘤,怕人看见,便戴帽子以遮掩,竟流行而为时尚。

Translation:

The ancient chinese who wore hat were like today's people who like to keep up with fashion. During Later Zhou period, Dugu Xin, when hunting, had his hat slightly slanted, as a result, many chinese began to copy his style of wearing the hat slanted, which became a fashion. After Sui Wendi, Yang Jian, became emperor, because he had a sore bulging out from his neck, afraid that people will see it, he used the hat to cover it up, and this also became a fashion.

  帽子的类很多,魏晋南北朝时期就有突孙帽、大帽子、白纱帽、乌纱帽、皂帽等;唐宋时代有席帽、浑脱帽、毡帽、压耳帽、风帽、妇女戴的帷帽、胡帽等;明清有棕结草帽、遮阳大帽、圆帽、鹅帽、堂帽、巾管帽、瓦楞毡帽、小帽、卷檐毡帽、皮帽、狗头帽、凉帽等等。它们因材质、形状等的不同,而分别具有防风、遮阳、保暖、美饰等功用。这其中最负盛名的乃是乌纱帽。

Translation:

The types of hats were many. During Wei-Jin North South dynasty, there are 'Tu Sun" hat, "Big hat", "Wu Sha" hat, "Zhao" hat etc. During Tang and Song period, there are "Du" hat, "Hun Tuo" hat, "Zhan" Hat, "Ya Er" hat', "Feng" hat as well as the "Wo" hat, "Hu" hat worn by ladies. During Ming and Qing period, there were "Zhong Jie" Grass hat, "Protect against Sun" hat, "Rounded" hat, "Goose" hat, "Tang" hat, "Jin Guan" hat, "Wa Neng Tan" hat, "Small" hat, "Juan Yan Zhan" hat, 'leather' hat, "Dog-head" hat, "liang" hat etc. They differed in quality of mateerial, and shaped and were categorized into different forms of use such as protection from wind, shield against sun, for warming, decoration etc. Amongst all these hat, the most celebrated hat is stilll "Wu Sha" hat.
  乌纱帽,顾名思义就是用黑色的纱制作的帽子。它不是严格的一类帽子,而是将凡是用乌纱制作的帽子都可称为乌纱帽。在隋以前,帝王戴白纱帽。宫官和官宦有戴乌纱帽的。隋唐时乌纱帽成为朝中官员的一般顶戴。到宋代,四脚幞头兴起,原来式样的乌纱帽逐渐废止,但由于幞头亦多用乌纱制作,故仍将幞头称为乌纱帽。宋代乌纱帽多为展脚,即帽翅平展,据说这样可以防止大臣们在朝上窃窃私语。在明代,官员戴的乌纱帽的定制是前低后高呈台阶形,两翅为牛舌形,宽寸余,长五寸,但亦有戴其他样式者。由于明代只有官吏才能戴乌纱帽,故后世将乌纱帽作为官帽的代称。后世在舞台上出现的官员所戴的乌纱帽就是明代的式样。乌纱帽到清代即废止了。 (王亦军)

Translation:

The "Wu Sha" hat, from the name's meaning, implied that it uses the black-colored "Sha" (a type of cotton) to knit. Strictly speaking, it is not a type of hat. It just mean that any hat that uses "Sha" to knit was called "Wu Sha" hat. Before Sui, most emperor wore White Sha Hat. Most official wore "Wu Sha" hat. During Sui-Tang period, "Wu Sha" hat became the common hat worn in court. During Song period, "Wu Sha" hat had extended "legs" (a form of extention ). According to history, this was to prevent officials to engage in secret talks. By Ming period, the "Wu Sha' hat's standard design is: low at the front, high at the back, like a stair-case, the two 'feathers" are like the cow's tongue, had a length of 5 inches. Because during Ming period, only officals can wear "Wu Sha" hat, this thus became the 'offical hat" of court mandarins. By Qing period, "Wu Sha" hat was abolished.


An example of "Wu Sha" hat


I would like to know something. Is there a creator of all those hats
Hei Xin
I recently saw Dynastaes: Legends Of Sichuan, and i was intrigued by the Feathered headdresses the Ladies wore. They resembled LU BU's in the Dynasty Warriors games. What bird do these feathers come from/ what are the hats called?
General_Zhaoyun
I'm not too sure.. could the bird be referring to phoenix?
Craig
QUOTE(General_Zhaoyun @ Aug 6 2006, 10:31 PM) [snapback]4833660[/snapback]
I'm not too sure.. could the bird be referring to phoenix?


Probably a kingfisher
Centaur
Managed to find two photos on Dynastaes: Legends Of Sichuan. Maybe someone could help on it.

and


I could not figure it out.
General_Zhaoyun
Some of these I've seen in China are peacock dance...
Hei Xin
THe Feathers were about 4 feet long. they didnt really look like Peacock feathers unless the feathers had their width trimmed and were dyed.
Centaur
The feathers will not be made of peacock feathers; if I am not mistaken it should be pheasant's feather.

Peking opera is a very distinct art form that has been popular in China for over 200 years. It’s important to note that it shares only one commonality with Western opera: People sing. From there on, it’s an entirely different experience.

The characters place heavy emphasis on elaborate hand gestures and meaningful glances and makeup also plays a significant role in the performance, representing the characters’ nature. For example, evil and malicious characters often have white faces while the hero has a red one. Sensational acrobatic displays are also often included; one actor almost fell off the stage after 14 back flips, eliciting a particularly loud gasp from the audience.

“Female Generals of the Yang Family” is a relatively new opera, premiering in 1959. But, intriguingly, the story is rumored to be true, originating from the Song Dynasty which ruled from 960 to1279. It begins with a birthday celebration for Marshal Yang, planned by his wife and attended by his honored 100-year-old mother, She Taijun.

The celebration is spoiled by news of his death in battle, leading the royal court to sue for peace with the invaders. Of course, She Taijun (Bi Yang) is appalled by the decision, as are the other females in her family, who by now are all widows.

In an impassioned song, she asks to be named General of the Army and fights against the Emperor’s minister, who comically calls her “old and useless.” What follows is basically an extended tribute to the power of women — an unusual theme for Chinese and Western opera alike — as She Taijun, along with her daughter-in-law, granddaughter, great-grandson and other female relatives (for a tradition-inspired total of 12) succeed through clever strategizing and valiant battles.

Bi Yang portrayed She Taijun as the sort of woman you don’t mess with — she may seem small and fragile, but her mind and will are not to be underestimated.

The part of Mu Guiying, Marshal Yang’s widow, sung by Deng Min, was the highlight of the performance. She portrayed a woman devastated by her husband’s death and determined to carry out her revenge. Her movements were particularly graceful, and her acrobatic work was impressive in light of her huge headdress.

The costuming of the opera was decadent and detailed, particularly in the outfitting of the female generals, who wore elaborate costumes topped with large pheasant feathers — impressive costumes indeed, which actually served as George Lucas’ inspiration for Star Wars’ costumes.


Site: http://www.thehoya.com/guide/102105/guide11.cfm

You might to check out the following site to see if we are talking about the same thing. The headdress comes with a pair of long flowing feathers.

http://www.picturescolourlibrary.co.uk/hyb...image_5915.html
Hei Xin
Those are the feathers alright. I wonder if the Chinese pheasant is significantly different from the American. Thanks for the help!
TMPikachu
One of my friends got a lowered score on a test when he described these hats as Chinese. The teacher insisted they originated from korean. Do you know of any credible sources (websites, books) I could use to show their Chinese origin (and migration to Korea maybe)
jhf0551
The hat in each dynasty is different. Before Ming dynasty, the official hat is called "Wu Sha", in Qing dynasty, it is called "Ding Dai Hua Ling". However, Tang and Ming's hats are very different. The hat picture above is Tang Xuan Zong, the two legs were flagged. If you want to learn something about the hats, you can go to Ming Tombs and Qing Tombs. Along the Sacred Roads, there are several statues. You can easily distinguish them from their appearance.
Shu Sheng
In many movies/dramas set in Qing dynasty, the ladies in the palace are shown as wearing some sort of flat hat with tassles coming down both sides and flower in the middle of the hat. I thought that was the common dress code in the Qing Dynasty. However, in another drama I'm currently watching (KangXi Di Guo), the courts ladies including the Empress Dowager were shown as having their hair tied up above their head (like the Han court ladies, although not as high).

Any input from anyone as to the truth of the situation??
Many thanks
General_Zhaoyun
Well, they should be wearing the Manchu Court Ladies' hat or at least be tying up their hair in manchu style..

Below are some pictures of the hair-style and hat.

Manchu Hat Decoration




They are known as "旗头─大拉翅" ("Qi Tou -Da La Ci" -The banner Head -Big Features Wing)

The Manchu hair-band




Mwab
Hello, you learned people of Chinese history smile.gif

At first, I would like to admitt that my interest for China's history did actually arise from playing the game "Dynasty Warriors". (Don't hurt me, please. tongue.gif )
In any way, I took a liking to the character Lu Bu and was/am fascinated by the character. (I have read up on historical facts about him, on this very site actually)

The most striking thing about the character (in the game, that is) would in my opinion be his pheasant-feather-crested little hat, which is in fact the major point in this thread of mine. What exactly are those hats called? Here are a couple of pictures that I will provide you with..




Does anyone know what those kinds of hats were/are called and perhaps even know of a place where I can buy them online..? The latter isn't all too important though, I'm prepared for going custom with it.

Thankful for all comments! smile.gif
Intranetusa
You mean like this hat right here?



fireball
QUOTE(Mwab @ Oct 18 2007, 06:02 AM) *
Hello, you learned people of Chinese history smile.gif

At first, I would like to admitt that my interest for China's history did actually arise from playing the game "Dynasty Warriors". (Don't hurt me, please. tongue.gif )
In any way, I took a liking to the character Lu Bu and was/am fascinated by the character. (I have read up on historical facts about him, on this very site actually)

The most striking thing about the character (in the game, that is) would in my opinion be his pheasant-feather-crested little hat, which is in fact the major point in this thread of mine. What exactly are those hats called? Here are a couple of pictures that I will provide you with..




Does anyone know what those kinds of hats were/are called and perhaps even know of a place where I can buy them online..? The latter isn't all too important though, I'm prepared for going custom with it.

Thankful for all comments! smile.gif


It's called guan(1) 冠. The guan may not be the kind shown in your pictures. They can be bigger. I think these type of guan are generally for nobilities. The kind you shown is also my favorite Chinese hat for men.

In ancient time, Chinese men had an adulthood ritual: at age of 20, they would have a formal ceremony and put on the 冠. It's called the ritual of guan(4) 冠禮. For emperors, kings, and lords, the age for the ritual of guan could be as young as 12 because of their responsibilities.

《仪礼.士冠礼》贾公彦疏:“诸侯十二而冠也。若天子,亦与诸侯同,十二而冠..." => translated as:

Yi Li (Ancient records of rituals of Zhou dynasty), the chapter on the ritual of nobilities, Jia Gong Yan explained, "Lords would have the ritual of guan at age of 12. If the person is the emperor, he could be the same as the Lords and have the ritual of guan at age of 12..."
Mwab
Alright, thank you for your replies! Not only have I found the name for the "mystery hat", I also got away with a bit of Chinese Historical education! biggrin.gif

Thanks for your time.
luhai167
Just as a addition guan is usually reserved for nobility (Shi/士), commoner uses a piece of cloth instead. Though this distinction is blurred in later years.
atmaholy
Does anyone have a good site about traditionnal women's head dresses?

I have seen some brides wearing such with the traditionnal wedding clothing.

Since i have began gathering stuff to make a successful, historically precise, live chinese historical recreation during an event, i am opened to suggestions as to what would be adequate to wear for different occasions.

I am attending some party in march, i would like to make a very fancy Hanfu and i'm looking for a headpiece to fit with it.

Thank you.
General_Zhaoyun
Sorry.. what do you mean by 'head dress'? Do you mean hair style or headgear/hats?

As far as I know, when chinese woman are dressed in hanfu, they would have some form of elaborate hair style/dressing/make-over. They would not be wearing any form of headgears/hats, unless they belonged to the Imperial family.
polar_zen
Maybe she means this (technically it's Manchurian, but it is also Chinese because the Manchu started Qing dynasty)...

General_Zhaoyun
Even the normal woman did not wear any headgears during Qing dynasty. Only those who were working in the palace wore Manchu headgears.
atmaholy
Sorry, my english is a bit crappy..

What i meant by head dress is this :

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/156/4039910...55ac162f9_o.jpg

I know this kind of headgear is worn during new year celebrations, although is there any historical recording that it was worn in other types of celebreations?

The character i an playing will need to be colorful although historically accurate : I will attend a medieval-renaissance larp festival where other cultures are welcomed to make a new start. There are some japanese there already and i want to make chinese since i really enjoy the culture and litterature.
I browsed the forum a few times before, i have found the images for my armor which is being crafted right now, unfortunetly i lack more pictures or textbooks explaining what would be adequate to wear in jewelry and i am also interested in finding out what type of boots they wore with the armor.

I have the Romance of the Three kingdoms tv series from the 1980 (that is my primary reference material), although i wish to incorporate more of different dynasties to my character.
fireball
That is actually the "Phoenix hat" 鳳冠 (feng4 guan1) for Han Chinese brides, and not for the New Year or other holidays.

http://www.jyly916.com/xqyp.asp (Chinese) - This is a shop that provides Chinese wedding stuff.
http://baike.baidu.com/view/339442.htm (Chinese) - This is the actual Queen's hat for Ming dynasty Queens from their tombs.

Usually, Chinese women wore very elaborate or not so elaborate hair styles with a lot of beautiful jewries and flowers, etc. Please check the hair styles of the movie "the Curse of the Golden Flower". The hair styles and dresses are very close to Tang dynasty court hair styles and dresses (IMO, or fairly close to Han Chinese styles for the hair in general, and only Tang dynasty dress like that), and you could go from there.
atmaholy
I have look everywhere, trying to find the name and the explanation for making the Guan Yu type of headband. Does anyone have a ressource for that kind of item?

Thanks
大泽升龙
QUOTE (atmaholy @ Feb 11 2008, 01:39 AM) *
I have look everywhere, trying to find the name and the explanation for making the Guan Yu type of headband. Does anyone have a ressource for that kind of item?

Thanks

Really?! I thought he wore a hat.
atmaholy
http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp...u_TV_Serial.jpg

To me it looks lke a headband, i dunno who can fit anything that seems that tight on their head. It must be tied in some way.

So if anyone can provide me the name of that particular thing, i'd appreciate, it would help me on my research.

Thanks
kaiselin
Perhaps if you could post some pictures of what you are referring to someone might be able to identify what you are looking for.
大泽升龙
QUOTE (atmaholy @ Feb 11 2008, 03:56 AM) *
http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp...u_TV_Serial.jpg

To me it looks lke a headband, i dunno who can fit anything that seems that tight on their head. It must be tied in some way.

So if anyone can provide me the name of that particular thing, i'd appreciate, it would help me on my research.

Thanks

I think it is called Guan (冠, means hat) within my Chinese knowledge. I do have an impression that some Qin terracotta warriors wearing fancy headbands.
atmaholy


Here.
Yang Zongbao
QUOTE (大泽升龙 @ Feb 10 2008, 10:12 PM) *
I think it is called Guan (冠, means hat) within my Chinese knowledge. I do have an impression that some Qin terracotta warriors wearing fancy headbands.


The Guan is actually what Cao Cao is wearing, not Guan Yu.
fireball
Cao Cao is the guy back to us wearing the golden Guan (small metal hat). That is being stablized on man's top knot with a zan (簪 hair pin), basically a chopstick shaped hair pin going through one side of the Guan into the top knot and then out of the other side of the Guan. That's how it is pinned on man's head.

Guan Yu is the one facing us wearing a, I guess, cloth hat (maybe with a bit of a frame). I think the hat might be tied in some way behind his head. You can just think of the construction a bit to build something that would look like it in the front any way. I don't think I have ever seen the back of that kind of hat -- I might have some vague impression, but it is not very clear in my mind at all.
dizzysnake
i will be getting some 24K gold ornaments that apparently were sewn onto the baby hat of my grandfather, born c.1910. they are characters of good luck, etc. i believe they lived in shanghai. my mothers grandmother apparently instructed my mother to give them to me after i was born (mid 1960's) and today was the first i have heard of them.

does anyone know how/why these were used? should i sew them on my baby's hat?

thanks!
kaiselin
I just went on a search of info and came up with this,,,, you may want to contact her.


Chinese Children\'s Hats and Embroidered Baby Packs
Every Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday and Friday between March 26 and May 4, 2007 at 9:00 AM
Christel DeHaan Fine Arts Center, Art Gallery [map]

Reception
Tuesday March 27, 2007
6:00 p.m. – 8:00 p.m.

Through symbolism and stories in the Chinese folk art of embroidery, 19th and 20th century Chinese children’s hats and Chinese baby carriers made by Chinese minorities in southeast China, give viewers a glimpse of Chinese mother’s affectionate embrace and bonding with their children. Collector, Dr. Phylis Lan Lin of the University of Indianapolis, will give a lecture on bonding via baby carriers and symbolism in Chinese children’s hats at the opening reception.

© University of Indianapolis • 1400 East Hanna Avenue • Indianapolis, Indiana 46227 • U.S.A.
(317) 788-2183 • 800-232-8634 • arts.uindy.edu • arts@uindy.edu

http://arts.uindy.edu/event.php?id=45139

Theatre Box Office: (317) 788-3251
Christel DeHaan Fine Arts Center Box Office: (317) 788-2135
madalibi
QUOTE (General_Zhaoyun @ May 1 2007, 04:53 PM) *
Well, they should be wearing the Manchu Court Ladies' hat or at least be tying up their hair in manchu style..

Below are some pictures of the hair-style and hat.






Manchu Hat Decoration


Called "旗头─大拉翅" ("Qi Tou -Da La Ci" -The banner Head -Big Features Wing)


The Manchu hair-band



No pictures appear! Would someone care to restore them?
General_Zhaoyun
The "Wusha hat 乌纱帽" were usually worn by bureaucrats in ancient China. They originated from Eastern Jin period (age of fragmentation).

Below are some pictures:


Wusha hat of Tang period


Typical "Long Wusha hat" worn during Song period




Typical Wusha hat during Ming period
kaiselin
QUOTE
Typical "Long Wusha hat" worn during Song period

That Long Wusha hat is an interesting variation. I wonder why it developed. I imagine that any one watching from afar would instantly know who was speaking to whom but the angle of the 'antenna' It would certainly keep people out of 'your space'. It would make it very difficult to whisper into someone else's ear and if you were going to speak softly to someone it could not be as an aside but would require a face to face conversation.
General_Zhaoyun
QUOTE (kaiselin @ Sep 10 2008, 09:06 PM) *
That Long Wusha hat is an interesting variation. I wonder why it developed. I imagine that any one watching from afar would instantly know who was speaking to whom but the angle of the 'antenna' It would certainly keep people out of 'your space'. It would make it very difficult to whisper into someone else's ear and if you were going to speak softly to someone it could not be as an aside but would require a face to face conversation.


It's precisely for this reason that the "long Wusha hat" of Song dynasty had two long flaps (wings).

When Emperor Zhao Kuangyin 赵匡胤 founded Northern Song Dynasty, he wanted to prevent the officials and bureaucrats from whispering to each other during the court sessions. That's why he ordered that all Wusha hats to have two long flaps (wings) on its side. If the bureaucrats whispered to each other, he will be able to know who was whispering as the Wusha hat tended to shake/vibrate easily with the head during whispering, making it clearly visible to the eyes of the Emperor.
General_Zhaoyun
Qing Dynasty Bureaucrat's hat

For bureaucrats of Qing dynasty, they wore a type of hat known as "Rites Hat" (Li Mao 礼帽 or Da Mao Zi 大帽子). The ones worn during Winter were known as "Nuan Mao 暖帽". Those worn during Summer were known as "Liang Mao 凉帽". Below shows the pictures of hats worn by bureaucrats of Qing Dynasty.


General_Zhaoyun
The hats are known as 'Coronal' or 'coronet' (guan 冠). They were worn by nobles in ancient China and do reflect different ranks, positions and social status.

Below shows the ritual of coronation (known as "Guan li 冠礼"), in which a noble is coronated at the age of 20, officially declaring one has entered adulthood.



Below showed a coronal (hat) for nobles:



There are various types of coronol shown as below:


Coronal for Emperor (known as "Mian Guan 冕冠")


Coronal for Highest Rank Official (known as "Tong Tian Guan 通天冠“)


Long Coronal for Emperor/High rank official (known as "Chang Guan 长冠")


Coronal for lower ranking official (known as "Jing Xian Guan 进贤冠")


Coronal for military official (known as "Wu Guan 武冠")


Coronal for Law-enforcing official (known as "Fa Guan 法冠")

For more info about coronals, you can refer to http://bbs.openlab.net.cn/forums/threads/773907.aspx
General_Zhaoyun
For hats before age of fragmentation, please refer to our threads on ancient chinese coronals at
http://www.chinahistoryforum.com/index.php?showtopic=19472
straydawgzdd
Hi all,
I know this is like another Dynasty warrior question but did the feathered hat that Lubu wears in the game actually exist?
I know from a previous post that the design for the hat existed but what about the long feathers?

Cheers,
Yun
The pheasant-tail hat that Lu Bu is popularly depicted wearing is actually from Beijing/Peking opera, where the wearing of such a hat by the opera actor indicates that he is playing a young general. Besides Lu Bu, Zhou Yu is also commonly played in opera by a 'pheasant-tail actor' (zhiweisheng 雉尾生). For details in Chinese, see http://baike.baidu.com/view/1564352.htm

The fact that supposedly 'real-life' illustrations of Lu Bu still show him in opera costume reflects just how influential the various Three Kingdoms operas have been in shaping popular perceptions of various characters from the Romance of the Three Kingdoms.
straydawgzdd
Thank you very much. It is notoriously difficult to find information about something if you dont even know what its called. Cheers mate!
General_Zhaoyun
QUOTE (madalibi @ Aug 24 2008, 11:39 PM) *
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The old pictures are no longer there. But I've already updated the broken link with other relevant pictures.
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