I thought it would be interesting to post various pictures of Mongols and talk about how they overlap with neighboring East Asian groups.

All pictures I found on this site:

http://www.biodiversityforum.com/archive/i...p5?t-21787.html

Population Structure in Mongolia from a Mitochondrial DNA Perspective.

Mongolia has experienced a complex series of demographic movements over the past 10-20 millennia that have shaped the patterns of its modern human genetic variation. However, modern populations in Mongolia have not been extensively studied for DNA diversity, nor has the genetic contribution of Mongolians to the gene pools of contemporary populations in Southeast Asia and Oceania been fully resolved. Archaeological evidence from as early as the late Neolithic suggests the presence of both West and East Eurasian cultures in this region. Later demographic movements involving the emergence of the Mongolian and later Manchu Empires have further convoluted Mongolias population structure. To clarify the complex population history of Mongolia, we analyzed variation in the mtDNAs of 190 individuals from several Mongolian ethnic groups, including the Uriankhai, Zakhchin, Derbet, Khoton and Khalkha. We screened all samples for phylogenetically informative coding region SNPs and sequenced HVSI to assess control region variation in them. Our data suggest that the mtDNA diversity present in our population is consistent with the general pattern of variation observed in East Asia, with the most frequent haplogroups being C, D and G. Haplogroup variation in Mongolian ethnic groups reveals considerable maternal diversity with a predominance of basal M types. Interestingly, the Mongolians also possessed West Eurasian haplogroups, such as H, J and K, which are not commonly observed in East Asia, even at low frequencies. The main ethnic group in Mongolia, the Khalkha, was highly variable with respect to mtDNA haplotypes in comparison with the other ethnic groups, and clearly distinct from the Khoton and Zakhchin, as evidenced by distance measures. Overall, these data provide insights into the origins and affinities of these populations, their relationships with East Asian groups and neighboring Turkic speaking groups, including indigenous Altaians, and their possible role in the peopling of the Americas.

Anyway...some of these people look Korean or Chinese to me.

Here also Who is Japanese, who is Mongolian?

The answer is simple,presence of Mongolian blood in both Northern Chinese & Korean populations.It's undisputable fact that they have much more proto-Mongol genes than the Japanese.

Altaic...which is a much broader group...yes for Koreans, no for Chinese.

What really pulls the Japanese out of the orbit is not just lack of Mongol or proto-Mongol admixture but the fact that there is a heavy Jomon component...very heavy in some areas.

Last few weeks, I was watching Aki basho, Japanese sumo. There are many Mongolians compete in that national sport. In fact 2 current champions are mongolians. One thing strike me is that I just could not recognise fellow mongolian sumo wrestlers. All, in japanse clothes , have pseudo japanese name.

who is Mongolian here?


Here also Who is Japanese, who is Mongolian?


Here , I have gut feeling that almost half of these wrestlers are Mongolians in this picture

who is Mongolian here?

Here are Khalkh Mongolians, who are the northeastern Mongolians.



All of them look 100% Korean

As for my opinion of who Mongols resemble most closely, I would certainly say Koreans.

Also, I agree with you that most Japanese people look somehow different. I'm not sure what the reason for the peculiar features of the Japanese might be.Japanese >>> Very weird; I don't think they really fit in any obvious continuum or clinal pattern of variation

because majority of Japanese genes are ' Siberian ' & others not Mognol.

Japanese males have typical sharp narrow small face and slender built oppose to northern Han-Chinese & Koreans are big head broader face and bulky built.These specific physical & facial charateristics proved that Japanese dominant genes don't have same common ancestors as northern Han-Chinese & Koreans who happened to share most gene markers.

Yup ... Koreans are descended from Khalkh Mongolians,they also have genetic ties to China's Shandong peninsula.

Yup ... Koreans are descended from Khalkh Mongolians,they also have genetic ties to China's Shandong peninsula.

Koreans aren't descended from Khalkh Mongolians. The first settlers of Korean peninsula that historians can trace were Siberian clans. Then, with migration from East Asia (Dongyi), Korean peninsula had technology, farming, etc.

they look like Inuits... =/ I think Mongolians interacted alot with the inuits since they are near the far north.