i was wandering how do the manchu look like ?

There would be a torso with four limbs coming out. At the top of the torso would be a head. The head would have a mouth, 2 eyes, a nose, 2 ears, and hair. The limbs would consist of 2 hands, used for preforming actions, and 2 legs, used for walking.

This is a simple picture:

very funny but thats not a manchu thats a han chinese dress like a manchu

they look like other North Asians of Tungusic stock. The Manchus of today have intermarried with other Mongoloid groups (Chinese, Mongols, etc) and can vary..

although if you're curious to how their ancestors look, Owen Lattimore once described the Nanai as "the truest Tungusic type" and resemble how the ancestors of the Manchus were like.

http://www.chinahistoryforum.com/index.php?showtopic=3986

the Nanai are descendents of the Jurchen but are not considered Manchu, although their language is very close to Manchu.

No, she would claim to be Manchurian. You really have no clue what a Manchurian looks like, making judgments based on biased stereotypes.


Since when did they not vary? Manchuria isn't exactly an isolated island. Even the Japanese have large physical variations. If it is so easy for the Manchus to just disappear in the last 3 centuries, I'm pretty sure a lot of intermarriage happened a thousand years ago as well.

i am not making a judment i just think she not a manchu know one really know what a manchu look like but my opinion is that there han chinese that just forgot about there han culture.

On the contrary, it is usually always the Han that has forgotten his original roots and became just another Han.

she does look Manchu

how many ethnic manchus have you ever seen?

her face is quite long (typical of Tungus stock). if you're wondering about her skin tone, there are lots of Ewenk(a Tungus people) who have that skin tone

where did I say that they never varied before? my statements implied that the large assimilation that occured in the past 2 centuries has created much more intermarriage between the Manchu and any other group than before.

It's nearly impossible to tell the differences between Han and Manchu because during Qing period, Han and Manchu already mixed.

Some 'Chinese' look non-Chinese to my very narrow definition. I want to see bigger picture to see the difference between Man and Han.
What I see really Chinese usually can be both North and South Chinese.

http://www.chinahistoryforum.com/index.php...opic=1782&st=90

I'm under the impression that Manchurians are whitter on average and have a long face.

Nanai people differ from Manchu people as they have got a lot of paleoasiatic features. The physical type of Manchu is close to Korean as scholars say. The branch of Mongoloid race is the same for Koreans and Manchu but languages and cultures are different. The languages are close for Nanai and manchu but sub-races are different.

So the interesting detail of Korean-Manchu perception of each other - Korean officer Park Jiwon (XVIII) who accompanied Korean ambassadir to Qing said that Manchu women were very nice and Han women couldn't compare with them. Korean General Shin Ryu took part in the manchu expedition on Amur in 1658 and said about Nanai that they were not like normal people - all of them were ugly and dirty.

So Koreans of XVII-XVIII centuries said that Manchu people were physically alike Koreans (as the standards of beauty were the same) and Koreans did not consider Nanai people to be similar to Manchu people.

The best way to solve the problem is to look upon Kangxi portait (the first authentic portrait of relatively pure Manchu man - only his mother was a Mongolian princess).

Best regards,

Alexey

Not really many are darker and more muscular.

interesting sources my Russian comrade!
however I've my doubts about this Korean source. Naturally all sources are bias.. perhaps they were not too impressed by the primitive nature of the Nanai's, thus the harsh descriptions? I recalled in Grousset's Empire of the Steppes, the Korean kingdoms had similar descriptions of other Altaic groups such as the Khitans.

While there is a possibility of Paleo-Asiatic genes in the Nanai ethnicity.. I believe they are still primarily Tungusic as their features are pretty different. Simply compare several pictures of Paleo-Asiatic groups such as the Koryaks, Chukchi, etc and the Nanai.. there are some clear differences.. some which include the skull shape and nose.. I tend to find the Nanai looking very similar to Koreans.

the korean phenotype is not as homogenous as they would like to think. all the koreans here in boston are short and have wide faces but when i went down to maryland, they were my height and had long faces.

however, Manchus are for the most part long faced Tungus types with minimal admixture from Han(referring to typical Huabei phenotype in this case) and Mongol. i have not seen any examples contrary to this and i have seen many Manchus.

what i noticed is that tibetans, mongols, nanais.. yakuts and other north asiacit mongoloids have the blushing cheeks look, while this feature is less prominent in the han, korean, viets and japanese.

I have seen photos of Henry Puyi, Cixi and other Aixin-Gielo family members. I honestly cannot tell them apart from other Han.

But, then when I visited Beijing, I did see some Manchus who did not look Han. They seemed to be intermediate between Han and northern Altaic features.

I always thought the blushing was because it was cold.

possibly, il have to look into it more

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I'm pretty sure the blushing cheeks is due to environment. Remember there was a name for it, though I forget what

I think thats an interesting point. Regarding the red cheeks in my travels in western China, I noticed that and found it curious. I struck it off as being simple genetics; possibly 'Darwin's effect' of evolution due to their climate. Genes I say.....



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Agree 100% with Zuo Zongtang. Manchus universally look like people.

As is true with most arbitrary groupings of humanity, positing 'Manchu' as an ethnic category is an overdone accident of history. The Manchus, or any other 'race' or whatever, could never have been homogenous. The term 'Manchu' didn't seem to exist until Huangtaiji declared the founding of the Qing Empire, and a going explanation for why he created the word is that there were too many people from other political entities: 'Mongols,' individuals from Joseon, Liaodongese and so on, allied with the Aisin Gioro for 'Jurchen,' a category probably originating from the outside to begin with, to mean anything anymore. 'Manchu' may best be understood to mean the early Qing elite, regardless of the original state or retrospectively-applied ethnicity these people could have been associated with. Manchu identity wasn't even sealed by the time the Mongol and Hanjun banners were established, as individuals or families could move in and out of these categories depending on their political fortunes. This isn't to imply that the Manchus are less 'pure' than other ethnic groupings, 'Han' and 'Mongol' especially were formed of several 'separate peoples' and come to us as concepts heavily influenced by the way they were used in Qing administrative policy. The construction of the Manchus as a people is relatively recent and well-recorded, but 'Manchuness' was crucial to both Qing imperial ideology and the way the modern Chinese nation was defined so the idea of a monolithic 'Manchu ethnicity' has taken on a life of its own.

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China's famed calligrapher (Qi Gong) who just died was a Manchu from the imperial clan-Aixin Gioro. He looks like a Manchu because he is a Manchu.

It's a feature of ruralites and people who live an outdoor lifestyle.

very aquiline nose Nurhaci has got .....

For those who watched HK and Taiwan movies, there were some celebrities who are Manchu, e.g: Hu Yin Meng (wife of Taiwanese Politician, Li Ao), Rosammud Kwan Zhi Ling and Zhou Hai Mei (both from HK).

One characteristics of the Manchu seem like that they have one of the highest percentage of B-blood group people in the world. Anyone can verify this?

For me, this seem very possible as I heard Beijing has the highest percentage of B-type blood holders in the whole China.. and it is a fact that many true-blue Beijingers has at least some form of Manchu ancestry in them..

I once saw the map of A/B/O allele distributions and if I recall correctly it's quite high in Northern China..
And it's not limited to anywhere, so we can hardly deduce a link just by looking at the similarity of frequency of these alleles.

if you have seen that A/B/O distribution map, you will see that Beijing is very high even compared to the rest of Northern China

This is true. Ancient Mongols (and probably other steppe peoples too) considered red cheeks a sign of verility and ferocity. The adjective "red-cheeked" was used as a compliment and sign of a great warrior. And Marco Polo described Khubilai Khan as having rosy cheeks too.

try check out the Hezhe/Nanai thread somewhere in this section. They are the closest relatives to the Manchu and Xibe, and should have retained much of the features of what Tungusic tribes before, had.

BTW I don't see how Baiyue is Malay.

Then the claim would be weird. Could it be more like Beijingese are high B then spread to everywhere including Manchuria ? But I think more possibly just a frequency change. Maybe the emperors had a B genome, so the gene spread very quicky since he had many children.

There are total of close to 11 million Manchus and over a million Manchus in Beijing and over 4 million in Liaoning province.

Here are pics of Manchus and possible Manchus.

Those who consider themselves Manchus today don't look extremely different from Han. Remember, it was centuries ago that Manchus and Han were seperate. Since the Qing Dynasty, Manchus and Han have been living together, under similar conditions, and intermarrying. I know at least a couple of people who consider themselves Manchus. There is nothing I can point out that would differentiate them from a typical Han.

I doubt most of the people in these pictures are Manchu. Manchu were southeast Siberians and thus probably resembled surrounding peoples. In all likelihood Manchu probably looked similar to Evenks.

Do Manchu have different surname from the Han ??
Example AuYong? Aishin Ge Luo? Jin ? and etc ??

Here are some pictures of the royal family members in the Manchu-Qing palace.


This is pictures of the most important princesses of the Manchu-Qing regime at the end of 19 century.
In the central posistion is the real princess, the daughter of the Emp. XianFeng 咸丰. The others are her close relatives


This picture of the super queen CiXi, Queen (the emp.'s wife) and the other imperial concubines GuanXu 光绪皇帝的后妃


This is the Super Queen CiXi 慈禧太后, the most powerful women in the Qing Palace in that period.


This is the formal wife the Emp. Guanxu. It was said she has a bad relation the eimpior GuanXu.


This is the favorit imperial concubines of GuanXu.

More authentic pictures.


Nurhachi




Huang Taiji


Dorgon



Duo duo



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Xianye





Yinzhen







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Yongyan

Not all Manchus look the same. My aunt is Manchurian banner descent (ZhengLanQi) and has extremely pale skin, freckles, caucasoid nose but only on a smaller scale, large fold over eyes. Her dad looks exactly like Nuerhaci but only fatter.

They have done a DNA study on Nurhachi. The funny thing is that many of the Manchus in Liaoning and Beijing do not carry his gene marker. Quite a few Mongols have it though as well as the traditional Manchus homeland (Jilin, Heilongjiang). I speculate that many of the so-called Manchus in Liaoning and Beijing are not truly Manchu descent. Both their Y and X markers are not much different from Han.