Hey hey, I've finally found some on the 'net, besides the Fei River one that we saw earlier. Note that these were all done in the 20th century - there are hardly any battle depictions in traditional Chinese art, at least not in the art that has survived to today.

Qin crushes Zhao at Changping:



Han vs. Xiongnu:



Chibi:



The Fei River:

Very good paintings.. it's really interesting about those battles..

Battle of Changping: Qin defeated Zhao (warring states period)

Battle of Han vs XiongNu (Han dynasty period)

Battle of Chibi (3 kingdoms period)

Battle of Feishui (Age of Fragmentation)

I like them too. Are these Accient Painting real, and from the time? If so this could help with my Three Kingdoms Battle colors question.

July 1927, in response to Chiang Kai-Shek led KMT's massacre of communist party members, Zhou Enlai, He Long, Zhu De, and thousands of Nationalist troops rebelled in Jiangxi Nanchang, marking the birth of the people's army.

How about this one

well its not ancient, but it is old

As I said earlier, none of these paintings were done before the 20th century. They are all based on imagination, and there is alot of artistic licence involved. The Dunhuang mural that is on the cover of "Medieval Chinese Warfare" by David Graff is one of the few painted battle scenes that are really from ancient China.

Wow, nice pictures. That really sucks though that few paintings drawn during pre-modern period contemporary with the subject survived to this day.

I've read that Zhu Yuanzhang commissioned several paintings of his toughest battles so that his sons can learn from them. I wonder if this collection of paintings exists today.

Yes I do like the Battle of Red Cliff (Chi Bi) it's a shame that no origanal artwork survived though :( .


Just curios are there any pictures of the battle of Tong Gate?

there was an interesting mural i saw, which i believe was commissioned for the emperor kangxi (not sure on the emperor, it was a while back) celebrating his crushing of the turks. in it, it showed the turks using primitive matchlocks being routed by chinese light horse archers. does anyone know of this painting? if so, can they put it up here? very interesting demonstration of how the beginning of a new technology is not necessarily better than the best of an old one.

by the way, type98G, would like to correct this here because i also saw it on the front of CMF. chiang kai-shek did a massacre, not a genocide. that's incorrect and improper usage of the term.

I believe the picture you're referring to is a Western-style engraving done by the Jesuits in 1774 for the Qianlong emperor, depicting the victory over the Kodja Muslims of the Tarim Basin at Altshur in 1759. I don't have a copy of the picture, but it's reproduced in Chris Peers' "Late Imperial Chinese Armies, 1520-1840" (London: Osprey, 1997). The original is apparently in the Library of Congress, Washington DC.

ah yes, you have it in one. thanks.

i read somewher that Qin soldiers are very fierce and they sometimes dont wear armor.

I like those pictures...especially the one with chariots

about the Qin without armor. I think it could be a reference to a battle where soldiers had to quickly scale a steep hill or fortefied raised ground to strike the enemy, so they discarded their armor to move as quickly as possible. It was a 'do or die' situation so those shirtless warriors rushed up and fought fiercely, winning the day from a suprised foe.

Ding Feng and his men adopted a similar strategy against Wei forces. Imagine a half naked old gizzard with a bunch of half naked soldiers with only short swords and shields...

Agh I rather not!

Here's a good one from the Warring States Period, probably between Qin and Zhou:

Yep, Kulong put it up once on another thread. It's definitely Wang Kewei's best painting so far!

Yeah I also noticed that but I cannot find the origanal thread. These though are much larger.

wow

Magnificent piece!

Do you suppose this is portraying the final destruction of Zhou? Or something earlier? And which side is which?

General Huo Qubing against Xiongnu (western han dynasty era)

The "flaming bull formation" - victorious battle of General Tian Dan of Qi against Yen (warring states period)

Chinese Chariot battles (Spring/Autumn or warring states period)

The Han dynasty picture reminds me of European type paintings of Napoleon or something!

I like the chariot battle picture but I've never seen a triple Ge "spear" before!

You got this from china defense forum didn't you ? Nice pics.

are there more to this set?

http://forums.swordforum.com/showthread.ph...&threadid=51207

They have more here.

yeah.. that's right..

are those all of the ChinaDefense paintings? If not, feel free to post them all!

That chariot warfare painting by Wang Kewei looks like an earlier version of his Guoshang (the one at the top of page 2).

Any place where I can view the entire collections of those beautiful paintings?

A BATTLE SCENE BETWEEN JAPANESE AND CHINESE FORCES "JAPAN-SINO WAR" THE JAPANESE ARMY DEFEATING THE CHINESE ARMY TROOP
Artist: SHUKO
Date: SEPTEMBER 1894


Taiping Rebellion ~ December 15, 1867



http://vi.uh.edu/pages/buzzmat/bachdang.htm


Dispute Over Korea ~ January 31, 1895

Battle Koguryo Army & Sui Tang Army At An Si Wall

Is there a bigger version of it?

Nice! But a larger picture would be nicer.

Here's a bigger version that I have:



It's the siege of Ansisong, where the Tang were eventually forced to withdraw and Tang Taizong may have sustained a fatal wound. This is the decisive moment when the Kogruyo commander (named in folklore as Yang Wanchun) led a sally from a breach in the wall before the Tang troops could charge through.

Here's another not so clear one of Koguryo fighting the Sui:



They were clearly painted by nationalistic Koreans

Thanks Yun. What's that flexy-ladder thingy in the centre of the battle?

It could be a Cloud Ladder with the ladder folded back, but it certainly isn't very accurately drawn.

That's what I think too. But I wonder whether it's possible to build really flexible bamboo ladders that you bend backward until you are ready to release to thump onto the wall... sinking barbs into the wall and hence ready for your troops to sally over! Anyway, even if that were possible, it remains a fantasy machine since no account of such a machine exists. The closest would be European medieval javelin launchers which use a bent plank to "whack" a javelin forward.

Qianlong's army battling Muslim insurgents. Notice that the both armies (Chinese on the right) are using a type of musket and cannon.

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Goguryo Battle A battle scene. Koguryo armies defeated numerically superior Chinese armies numerous times but eventually, the Chinese defeated the Koreans

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HAH! BEAT THAT! Samurais and Chinese!

and oh yeah found the pic here

http://azazel1944.deviantart.com/gallery/

Just curious (and slightly OT) but when were stirrups introduced?

Currently the earliest metal one was discovered in a West Jin tomb. The prototype of the stirrup was even earlier but many of them were just a mounting aid.

Do you know if the saddles at that time were solid treed?

great picture!

Nice paintings ..