Mr Sephodwyrm,
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Sephodwyrm was recently challenged on another forum regarding how much armour Warring States armies would really have. His detractor claimed that the terracotta army had only 1/3 of its soldiers in armour. He asked me for some input about how much armour there really was, and whether it was limited to the high-ranking officers. Information and comments from you guys would be very welcome
...and there you go.....take it or leave it.
You may study as a historian (and come to your own conclusions from your sources) but I am primarily approaching Chinese history from a material culture & archaeology approach as is my background. Just as in my country an ancient history can give a name that archaeology does not, archaeology provides insight that contemporary histories (with its own positives and negatives) do not.
Your history will tell you which King fought who, how many people allegedly were on each side, and the outcome...but it wont tell you the nitty gritty about the everyday equipment they carried. In this way I am intersted in studying rubbish heaps (or midden) of bone and shell from prehistoric sites in NZ. A tribal group may have a history about who lived there at one time, but they can never tell you what was on the menu for dinner or what sort of industry was carried out on a site.
This forum is of use to me as a way of filling in some of the blanks for the names and events of the period items I study belong to.
I can only in turn bring the evidence of the items to the forum, and I feel no disadvantage from enquiry on my own terms. I feel a strong connection to the past because I study it in my hands rather than off a page.
More specically to Daniels question, yes, Yangling provides formations excavated as they lay for 2,000 years, and they have wooden screens at the front of some formations... and cavalry, infantry and chariots in mixed regiments ina fashion like QIn. This is a fairly late date for battlefield chariots (beyond the transport of nobililty) and it predates Wudi, which I suspect was the time where cavalry become more effective with larger horses. It has been said that chariots went into decline from 500bc onwards with the emergance of large disiplined infantry formations but there is evidence they still acted as combat formations up to this date (Qin & early West Han)
There are clearly variations in the ethinc identity of some of the cavalrymen (and some are even called cavalrywomen oddly enough). Some of the facial features show distinct exaggerated high cheek bones which is attributed to a steppes formation.
The groups there are even suggested one represents a southern Han army, and another a northern Han army. For more information, as with many such questions, the answer will be in archaeololgical publications from the Universties in XIan, or museum periodicals. Such information is not for the layperson and would involve sourcing it via a contact there.
Wujiang, in terms of Phalanx, it would simply be a tight formation..and with polearms up to 12-14' long the comparison is valid. A greek phalanx formation is shown in one of my texts outlining ancient Chinese weapons and the inference is clearly they were employed like this. I believe it is entirely plausible as the Zhou had a miltary disipline and devoloped efficient large infantry formations.
A row of these weapons hooking and swinging down in front of them would disrupt the enemy and in close the short personal defense weapons would be used...again comparible to the greek formation but without the emphaisis on heavy armour.
I can only see the dagger axe used as a vertical swing in a formation however, but this is still effective feeling as I hafted on of my own to a (shorter) pole and it can swing down like and axe....and reminds me off 2 handed tomahawks used for fighting by Maori in the 19th century tribal & colonial fighting.
PS; I feel the Qin terracota warriors are of limited worth for analysising a combat formation on a battlefield. I see a formation in marching order, or perhaps in review order and so much is made from the positions within it, but clearly the formation might alter into any if 100 ways depending on the position of the enemy and the function the troops were employing. The position of the armoured troops may alter at a command and the movement of the chariots break away to the rear or the flanks....in any number of variations, and yet this formation is taken as literal for the evaluation of troops...like chess pieces on a board before the first move......and just like the chess pieces on a board you might not deduce much about the player by studying this initial deployment, so the function of armoured troops relative to the archers or crossbowmen is entirely imaginative.
This is fine, and the best that can be done with ancient objects...but when I see chariots mixed in with the footsoldiers as in the Qin army I see a force on a parade ground (like all the pictures of civil war soldiers standing with gun carriages beside them) and not one the will break into action without breaking the tight order.
The Han tomb warriors are deployed in this tight formation also, but just like the ceramic animals all lined up (pigs, cattle, dogs & geese by the hundreds) in these tomb pits we know that farm animals dont actually line up into regiments. It is probably convenience in the pits as much as anything too....
Perhaps I should include an image to illustrate what I mean, the large groups of animals are put into tomb pits in the same ordered fashion as the warriors. Multiple rows, and facing in one direction (although a few terracota warriors of Qin in the 'command post' are more naturally positioned). In this way the ceramic troops may not represent a diorama of military deployment.
Just a thought.
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And if equipment is not standard, one cannot hope to arm an army efficiently.
weapon production can be to a uniform standard, but who/which unit gets equipped with them first does not have to follow this logic.
This statement seems to overlook your own statement about some warriors being armoured and yet others are not in the Qin army within a single formation, or the variety of weapons carried by normal infantry (some being simple bronze tipped clubs, some Ge having spear points above etc) or that there is a variety of armour styles even within the armoured infantry...even little differences such as the belthooks on individual warriors show they may have made these minor adjustments to their kit like a modern soldier might.
Consider the problems in total war such as the Second World War....a divison on paper may be equiped differently or even have different numbers in reality based on supply and what the commanders can obtain for their troops. Even in ancient battlefields some warriors needed to scrounge armour and weapons from the dead to improve their own.
It would be a whole lot easier to supply shields to infantry than provide each with fitting suits of laminar leather or iron scale.
This is not to say that weapons arent produced to certain standards, but that armour was not standard (i.e universal) for whatever reason you want to choose the physical evidence is clear. It may simply be that in a West Han unit the unarmoured warriors suggest that either priority or simple nessicity meant there are unarmoured elements amongst the many tens of thousands of soldiers on pay. These problems are reflected in modern contexts also so far as equipping large armies with modern equipment.
Note the kit of the warriors here, Warring States period..and Ge both long and short (one can be weilded while holding an enemy by the hair). Swords in scabbards on their hips also.