Full Version: Mongol or Japanese armor?
I found this image on a website. It's a suit of red leather armor that was dredged up off Takashima and is from the period of the Mongol invasion of Japan. But the site doesn't say who this armor belonged to. I'm guessing it's Mongol. but I don't know enough about Japanese armor of the period to say for sure. Anyone know for sure?
Definitely Mongolian. Japanese armour of the period was either the O Yoroi or Do Maru, neither look anything like this armour.
Neither.
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That's a cool armor.
never at all seen anything like it, looks like something outta a game
whoah
whoah whoah whoah whoah whoah whoah whoah whoah whoah!
That's a cool armor.
never at all seen anything like it, looks like something outta a game
QUOTE(Wujiang @ Aug 9 2005, 05:01 AM)
Neither.
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Er...care to add to that? If you don't think it's Mongol or Japanese, what is it? Korean?
Well, if it was dredged up offshore, then it probably does come from the Yuan force; they've been finding a lot of interesting stuff from the invasion fleet. In which case it is far more likely to be "Chinese" than "Mongol".
I do wonder if this is an actual find or just a reconstruction, though. The only site on which I can find it - http://www.maritimeasia.ws/topic/chronology.html with a link under the 1281 entry - doesn't say anything about it. And other sites on the Takashima finds mention only fragments of red leather armour - see http://www.archaeology.org/0301/etc/kamikaze.html for example. Could this just be a reconstruction from the fragments?
On the other hand they do seem to have found at least one fairly complete armour, the plate-lined one illustrated at http://www.ualberta.ca/~chor/mongolin.htm so finding another complete armour is not impossible.
I do wonder if this is an actual find or just a reconstruction, though. The only site on which I can find it - http://www.maritimeasia.ws/topic/chronology.html with a link under the 1281 entry - doesn't say anything about it. And other sites on the Takashima finds mention only fragments of red leather armour - see http://www.archaeology.org/0301/etc/kamikaze.html for example. Could this just be a reconstruction from the fragments?
On the other hand they do seem to have found at least one fairly complete armour, the plate-lined one illustrated at http://www.ualberta.ca/~chor/mongolin.htm so finding another complete armour is not impossible.
QUOTE(Snafu @ Aug 9 2005, 12:57 AM)
Er...care to add to that? If you don't think it's Mongol or Japanese, what is it? Korean?
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Without further examination, nothing can be certain. But just from rudimentary observation, it is not consistant with either Japanese or Mongol armour of the time.
its mongol armor!
Presumably this is a reconstruction. Does the website have any info on what remains were actually collected?
As it stands, it looks like leather strips laced together. This would be cheap infantry armour, but the reconstruction looks too ornate.
rgds.
Tom..
As it stands, it looks like leather strips laced together. This would be cheap infantry armour, but the reconstruction looks too ornate.
rgds.
Tom..
Yes I found that pic at the maritime asia site, and they didn't give any explanation for it. You guys are probably right, it's probably a reconstruction. It struck me as odd because it looked so different from anything I had seen. But now I'm guessing that the reason it looks so different is because it's totally inaccurate!
perhaps it's only part of the armour, the shoulder pads look too small to be either mongolian or chinese...
Maybe it's the armour of some ethnic minority that sailed with the Yuan. Tartars?
Maybe it's the armour of some ethnic minority that sailed with the Yuan. Tartars?
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