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They looked like German soldiers.
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QUOTE(Chiang Kai-shek @ Aug 21 2005, 08:02 PM)
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They looked like German soldiers.
They looked like German soldiers.
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It was German made uniforms, equipments and weapons. They were trained by German officers. You knew that as well. Why this comment? What would you want to say ?
QUOTE(superquarterback @ Aug 21 2005, 01:15 PM)
It was German made uniforms, equipments and weapons. They were trained by German officers. You knew that as well. Why this comment? What would you want to say ?
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We were not as badly equiped as people think.
QUOTE(Chiang Kai-shek @ Aug 21 2005, 09:17 PM)
We were not as badly equiped as people think.
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Only 8 infantry divisions were equipped with German weapons. I think they were all sent to Shanghai. I read about battle of Shanghai and Chinese troops were about 200,000 soldiers. NRA lacked armoured vehicle, air cover (close air support), navy, altillery. You needed combined arms to win a frontal battle even at that time. Japanese Kwangtung Army was better equipped, trained and supported (from sea and air).
The helmet is definately German. But I don't think the tunics and trousers are - some of them look really baggy
They are baggy because those are made for German, Chinese are physically smaller.
QUOTE(Chiang Kai-shek @ Aug 22 2005, 06:55 PM)
They are baggy because those are made for German, Chinese are physically smaller.
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I wonder why they imported German uniform. Uniform was easy to produce. Weapons and equipments were not, or it was local production licensed and supervised by German ?
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I wonder why they imported German uniform. Uniform was easy to produce. Weapons and equipments were not, or it was local production licensed and supervised by German ?
Contract? Or maybe they last longer (like not normal cloths)?
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I wonder why they imported German uniform. Uniform was easy to produce. Weapons and equipments were not, or it was local production licensed and supervised by German ?
Maybe the Germans were only willing to sell them as a package XD
Imagine the German's plight, when they have 200,000 army clothes without a helmet XD
the KMT never imported uniform for her army, with the exception of helmets, from Germany. They were all made locally, both for the ranks and officers alike.
Well....They also got used British type helmets...
VJ day commemoration and Taipei military museum reopening
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In memory of those who fought for us
By Gavin Phipps
STAFF REPORTER
Friday, Oct 14, 2005
On Aug. 15 this year nations whose armed forces participated in the bloody Far East campaign of World War II commemorated the 60th anniversary of the surrender of the Japanese Army. From London to Suva, Fiji, government leaders and veterans of the conflict took time to stop and remember Victory in Japan Day (VJ Day).
In Taiwan, however, the day passed largely without notice.
It was on this same day that the Armed Forces Museum (國軍歷史文物館) re-opened its doors after a lengthy and costly refurbishment. Established in 1961, Taiwan's sole public military museum was, until August, a neglected public institute. The refurbishment, however, has meant that while it still pales in size to those in London, Beijing and Paris it is now clean, welcoming and reasonably well organized.
Sadly the millions of New Taiwan dollars spent on renovations went, much like VJ Day itself, unnoticed by the general public. With the exception of a handful of members of historical societies and some military brass, few turned out to see the museum's re-opening and the launch of a special exhibition entitled 60th Anniversary of the Victory in the War of Resistance Against Japan (抗戰勝利六十週年).
Running until the end of the year, the exhibition focuses on Chinese Nationalist Party (KMT) forces in China and Burma and the allies who helped them in the fight against Japan. It also includes a special section about the allied prisoners of war who were imprisoned in Taiwan, the Flying Tigers and the struggle between the KMT and Communist forces for control of China during the war.
It is a small exhibition and it's deplorable Taiwan's predominantly Aboriginal led anti-Japanese resistance forces have been ignored. But for those with a passion for military history, who can read Chinese, then the many photographs, maps and documents make for interesting and at times sobering viewing.
The exhibition is not organized in any particular chronological order and visitors are introduced to different aspects of the eight-year war that saw a total of 22 large scale campaigns, over 1,100 major battles and more than 38,000 skirmishes between the KMT and Japanese forces.
Along with the numerous print artifacts, weaponry, uniforms, insignia and a few oddities, like a sewing machine, are used to tell the story.
The only proper bilingual section is organized by the founder of the Taiwan POW Memorial Society, Canadian Michael Hurst, who, through the use of artifacts and photographs, has done a marvelous job of bringing the plight of the POWs to life.
In addition to the exhibition the museum has also published a glossy guidebook, with little English, but a few interesting anecdotes. For example, visitors learn about KMT war heroes like Gao Jhih-hang (高志航), who went to France to learn to fly, helped destroy several Japanese planes in dog fights on Aug. 14, 1937, was promoted to commander of the air force but was shot down and killed by enemy fighters on Nov. 21 that same year.
The exhibition is lacking in depth, but as Taiwan's sole exhibit in commemoration of the end of WW II it shouldn't simply be dismissed and if you've got a spare 20 to 30 minutes it is worth a visit.
More information:
What: 60th Anniversary of the Victory in the War of Resistance against Japan (抗戰勝利六十週年)
Where: Armed Forces Museum (國軍歷史文物館), 243 Gueiyang St., Sec 1, Taipei (台北市貴陽街ㄧ段243號).
When: Until Dec. 31.
Opening hours: The museum is open Mondays through Saturdays from 9am until 4pm.
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In memory of those who fought for us
By Gavin Phipps
STAFF REPORTER
Friday, Oct 14, 2005
On Aug. 15 this year nations whose armed forces participated in the bloody Far East campaign of World War II commemorated the 60th anniversary of the surrender of the Japanese Army. From London to Suva, Fiji, government leaders and veterans of the conflict took time to stop and remember Victory in Japan Day (VJ Day).
In Taiwan, however, the day passed largely without notice.
It was on this same day that the Armed Forces Museum (國軍歷史文物館) re-opened its doors after a lengthy and costly refurbishment. Established in 1961, Taiwan's sole public military museum was, until August, a neglected public institute. The refurbishment, however, has meant that while it still pales in size to those in London, Beijing and Paris it is now clean, welcoming and reasonably well organized.
Sadly the millions of New Taiwan dollars spent on renovations went, much like VJ Day itself, unnoticed by the general public. With the exception of a handful of members of historical societies and some military brass, few turned out to see the museum's re-opening and the launch of a special exhibition entitled 60th Anniversary of the Victory in the War of Resistance Against Japan (抗戰勝利六十週年).
Running until the end of the year, the exhibition focuses on Chinese Nationalist Party (KMT) forces in China and Burma and the allies who helped them in the fight against Japan. It also includes a special section about the allied prisoners of war who were imprisoned in Taiwan, the Flying Tigers and the struggle between the KMT and Communist forces for control of China during the war.
It is a small exhibition and it's deplorable Taiwan's predominantly Aboriginal led anti-Japanese resistance forces have been ignored. But for those with a passion for military history, who can read Chinese, then the many photographs, maps and documents make for interesting and at times sobering viewing.
The exhibition is not organized in any particular chronological order and visitors are introduced to different aspects of the eight-year war that saw a total of 22 large scale campaigns, over 1,100 major battles and more than 38,000 skirmishes between the KMT and Japanese forces.
Along with the numerous print artifacts, weaponry, uniforms, insignia and a few oddities, like a sewing machine, are used to tell the story.
The only proper bilingual section is organized by the founder of the Taiwan POW Memorial Society, Canadian Michael Hurst, who, through the use of artifacts and photographs, has done a marvelous job of bringing the plight of the POWs to life.
In addition to the exhibition the museum has also published a glossy guidebook, with little English, but a few interesting anecdotes. For example, visitors learn about KMT war heroes like Gao Jhih-hang (高志航), who went to France to learn to fly, helped destroy several Japanese planes in dog fights on Aug. 14, 1937, was promoted to commander of the air force but was shot down and killed by enemy fighters on Nov. 21 that same year.
The exhibition is lacking in depth, but as Taiwan's sole exhibit in commemoration of the end of WW II it shouldn't simply be dismissed and if you've got a spare 20 to 30 minutes it is worth a visit.
More information:
What: 60th Anniversary of the Victory in the War of Resistance against Japan (抗戰勝利六十週年)
Where: Armed Forces Museum (國軍歷史文物館), 243 Gueiyang St., Sec 1, Taipei (台北市貴陽街ㄧ段243號).
When: Until Dec. 31.
Opening hours: The museum is open Mondays through Saturdays from 9am until 4pm.
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Great photos, CKS. Welcome back! 
at first they wear german, then british, and american. i like their uniforms, specially the german ones, but i think chiang kai shek's son, also a ROC soldier, carries a rank in the german army.
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at first they wear german, then british, and american. i like their uniforms, specially the german ones, but i think chiang kai shek's son, also a ROC soldier, carries a rank in the german army.
Jiang Wei-gou, not really CKS's biological son. But his second son never the less.
Jiang Wei-gou's specialized in Armoured Forces.
QUOTE(Chiang Kai-shek @ Nov 19 2006, 03:21 AM) [snapback]4862018[/snapback]
in the middle, i've seen it in a vintage WWII book made in 1949. and that general is supporting stillwell.
are there any pics of planes during that war? i like to see monoplanes (mustang) being flown than biplanes (De Havilland moth).
the bristish helmets are superior in making hotpots.
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Jiang Wei-gou, not really CKS's biological son. But his second son never the less.
Jiang Wei-gou's specialized in Armoured Forces.
Jiang Wei-gou's specialized in Armoured Forces.
ok
Wei-gou, as others called him Wego, is also a contender and likely to be called as successor in taiwan. right?
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ok
Wei-gou, as others called him Wego, is also a contender and likely to be called as successor in taiwan. right?
Wei-gou, as others called him Wego, is also a contender and likely to be called as successor in taiwan. right?
no, the staged 湖口裝甲部隊兵變 Hukou Armoured Division Mutiny in 1964 made sure of that.
QUOTE(Chiang Kai-shek @ Nov 19 2006, 12:59 AM) [snapback]4862012[/snapback]
just what kind of helmet is that????
American football???
Water Melon????
QUOTE(naruwan @ Jan 11 2007, 03:31 AM) [snapback]4871113[/snapback]
Jiang Wei-gou, not really CKS's biological son. But his second son never the less.
Jiang Wei-gou's specialized in Armoured Forces.
Jiang Wei-gou's specialized in Armoured Forces.
I read somewhere that he was seconded to the Wehrmacht during the invasion of Czechoslovakia. Presumably he was with one of the Panzer divisions if he later specialised in armour.
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I read somewhere that he was seconded to the Wehrmacht during the invasion of Czechoslovakia. Presumably he was with one of the Panzer divisions if he later specialised in armour.
yes, he was with the Panzer division during the invasion of Czechoslovakia.
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What type of weapon was this... why wouldn't they just carry pistols without the rifle stock?
Kimchee
QUOTE(Kimchee @ May 18 2007, 09:32 AM) [snapback]4889428[/snapback]
What type of weapon was this... why wouldn't they just carry pistols without the rifle stock?
Kimchee
Kimchee
yeah, they look really ridiculous with that weapon =_=
looks like Man in Black with those tiny rifles...
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What type of weapon was this... why wouldn't they just carry pistols without the rifle stock?
Kimchee
Kimchee
Those are Mauser C-96 pistols (or the selective fire Model 712 variant). They were the favored sidearm of Warlord and KMT armies, who called them Box Cannons (Hezi Pao). At middle range, they'd be used with the stock for slightly better aim.
The stock doubled as a holster, which is why they're called "Box Cannons".
QUOTE(Yang Zongbao @ May 20 2007, 05:28 PM) [snapback]4889689[/snapback]
Those are Mauser C-96 pistols (or the selective fire Model 712 variant). They were the favored sidearm of Warlord and KMT armies, who called them Box Cannons (Hezi Pao). At middle range, they'd be used with the stock for slightly better aim.
The stock doubled as a holster, which is why they're called "Box Cannons".
The stock doubled as a holster, which is why they're called "Box Cannons".
thanks.
and they are in the British styled uniform.
The ones on the top left picture seem to be wearing Japanese helmets.
The bottom photo is most likely postwar since the officer wearing a US army cap is demonstrating a US M3A1 grease gun to soldiers who don't look like they were about to fight in the Burma theatre. These troops would probably only be firing the grease guns in anger against PLA troops.
The bottom photo is most likely postwar since the officer wearing a US army cap is demonstrating a US M3A1 grease gun to soldiers who don't look like they were about to fight in the Burma theatre. These troops would probably only be firing the grease guns in anger against PLA troops.
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The ones on the top left picture seem to be wearing Japanese helmets.
The bottom photo is most likely postwar since the officer wearing a US army cap is demonstrating a US M3A1 grease gun to soldiers who don't look like they were about to fight in the Burma theatre. These troops would probably only be firing the grease guns in anger against PLA troops.
The bottom photo is most likely postwar since the officer wearing a US army cap is demonstrating a US M3A1 grease gun to soldiers who don't look like they were about to fight in the Burma theatre. These troops would probably only be firing the grease guns in anger against PLA troops.
wow, good eye!
QUOTE(Yang Zongbao @ May 20 2007, 08:28 PM) [snapback]4889689[/snapback]
Those are Mauser C-96 pistols (or the selective fire Model 712 variant). They were the favored sidearm of Warlord and KMT armies, who called them Box Cannons (Hezi Pao). At middle range, they'd be used with the stock for slightly better aim.
The stock doubled as a holster, which is why they're called "Box Cannons".
The stock doubled as a holster, which is why they're called "Box Cannons".
Thanks... I don't ever think I've seen this type of weapon before. I thought it would be cumbersome to carry about, but if the actual weapon folded or slid into the stock, I guess it would be a little more convenient. Yes, I would think the stock would help with the aim.
I went to wikipedia for a closer look... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mauser_C96
Kimchee
Check this site out for info. on firearms: http://world.guns.ru/main-e.htm
The Germen used the Mausers too as the guns were produced by Germen. A hint of Nazi-KMT collaberation prior to the war.
The Germen used the Mausers too as the guns were produced by Germen. A hint of Nazi-KMT collaberation prior to the war.
These are wonderful images... please keep them coming.
Dear Generalissimo, is there a good printed source that collects these photos together in one place?
Dear Generalissimo, is there a good printed source that collects these photos together in one place?
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These are wonderful images... please keep them coming.
Dear Generalissimo, is there a good printed source that collects these photos together in one place?
Dear Generalissimo, is there a good printed source that collects these photos together in one place?
I wish i knew.
QUOTE(Chiang Kai-shek @ Jun 16 2007, 11:57 AM) [snapback]4893070[/snapback]
Another good one. I have not seen this before. Cheers, R
Really great, keep em coming guys
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The Famous Yakuza Weapon ''Kikanjuu''
QUOTE(Hang Li Po @ Jul 16 2007, 10:34 PM) 
The Famous Yakuza Weapon ''Kikanjuu''
Its just the M3 'greasegun', widely available throughout WW2. Nationalist China produced it locally.
QUOTE(Hang Li Po @ Jul 16 2007, 09:34 PM)
The Famous Yakuza Weapon ''Kikanjuu''
Huh what are you talking about...? "Kikanjuu" translated from Japanese is "machine gun", which is not how they would call the weapon anyway
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