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jiangji
I am quite surprise there are 1.5m !!!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/4396246.stm

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Research into an unusually high prevalence of a particular set of genes in China has suggested that 1.5 million Chinese men are direct descendants of Giocangga, the grandfather of the founder of the Qing dynasty.
DuncanHead
See http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/4396246.stm

Research into an unusually high prevalence of a particular set of genes in China has suggested that 1.5 million Chinese men are direct descendants of Giocangga, the grandfather of the founder of the Qing dynasty. Giocangga's extraordinary number of descendants, concentrated mainly in north-east China and Mongolia, are thought to be a result of the many wives and concubines his offspring took.

Dr Chris Tyler-Smith, a geneticist working at Britain's Wellcome Trust Sanger Institute, made the finding, based on a study of a set of genes on the male Y chromosome.

He told the BBC World Service's Science In Action programme that these genes provided a "genetic surname" of the family to which each man belonged.

"What we did was analyse around 1,000 men from that part of the world," he said.

"We noticed just two types of Y chromosome that were extraordinarily frequent - one of them making up around 3% of our sample.

"When we looked at it more carefully, we found that it was not present in the majority population in that area, the Han. But in the minorities, including the Mongolians, it was present at around 5%."

Scientists were then able to work out roughly where the special genes came from.

They established the origin was north-east China, around 500 years ago.

More accurate analysis then found that this particular genetic code first appeared just before the Qing dynasty, which came to the fore in 1616 and had conquered China by 1644.

"We soon realised there was a major historical event going on at this time - the establishment of the Qing dynasty, which conquered China and ruled for several hundred years," Dr Tyler-Smith said.

"It was ruled by the Qing imperial nobility, who were a highly privileged elite class, and they had several wives and concubines.

"Because of the privilege, they could have had many children - and those children would have had a good chance of survival."

At the time of Giocangga, the population of China was about 100 million - compared with 1.3 billion today.

This means that the average Chinese man at the time of Giocangga would only have around 20 descendants living today - in marked contrast to Giocangga's 1.5 million men.

"The difference is accounted for by the large number of wives and concubines - and in particular, this practice being linked to the Y chromosome for many generations," Dr Tyler-Smith added.
arjen robben
Genghis Khan have more descendants than Giocangga ,he genes are find in Tatar ,Russian and Turkish people in Europe and Fulin may have both blood from Giocangga and Genghis Khan.
Rong Qin Wang
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Genghis Khan have more descendants than Giocangga ,he genes are find in Tatar ,Russian and Turkish people in Europe and Fulin may have both blood from Giocangga and Genghis Khan.


Zunjing de Arjen Robben,

Hmm, I personally don’t think it would be that amazing to find out that Giocangga is the ancestor of approximately 1.5 billion Chinese men since he did live a while back. Hence, the number of his descendants would multiply each generation. Perhaps he had more descendants than others living in the same era; however, this was certainly not an extraordinary amount.

Of course, Genghis Khan would have more descendants than Giocangga since he existed approximately 200 years prior, giving him more time to allow his descendants to keep multiplying.

Hmm, why do you say that Emperor Shun Zhi (Fu Lin) may have both the bloods of Giocangga and Genghis Khan? Was it because his mother, Empress Xiao Zhuang, was said to have been a descendant of Genghis Khan by also carrying the surname of Borjigit? I have always thought this was more of a myth since it was unproven.

Xie Xie,
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