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Hoa Phau
are there any pictures of uniforms worn by the chinese military during the sino japanese war?
caocao74
QUOTE(Hoa Phau @ Nov 18 2005, 05:01 PM) [snapback]4770963[/snapback]
are there any pictures of uniforms worn by the chinese military during the sino japanese war?


Perhaps Hasy's post on this thread;
http://www.chinahistoryforum.com/index.php?showtopic=2360
(may be wrong but looks from the same period)
Gubook Janggoon
In Isabella Bird's book Korea and Her Neighbors she has an illustrated plate of Chinese soldiers during that time period. I'm a bit hesitant to scan it in though. Would that be infringing copyright laws? *The soldier drawn looks nothing like Hasy's soldiers.
BowlingforIllidan
a lot of Japanese woodblock prints from the war depict Chinese soldiers, but I'm not sure how far you can trust them...
for starters, the Japanese look like Europeans, while the Chinese look like goblins...Click to view attachment
TMPikachu
Do you have a larger picture? I can't quite tell.

I remember seeing similiar pictures though.

I wouldn't say the Japanese look like Europeans, they just look like their usual stylized pictures while the Chinese are made stylistically uglier

the same can be said of Chinese in their own paintings. It was of a Song general I think, who was done in the classical way, with an Uighur bowing to him, done with large wild eyes, messy hair and grotesqueness.
Hoa Phau
QUOTE(BowlingforIllidan @ Nov 19 2005, 09:37 AM) [snapback]4771130[/snapback]
a lot of Japanese woodblock prints from the war depict Chinese soldiers, but I'm not sure how far you can trust them...
for starters, the Japanese look like Europeans, while the Chinese look like goblins...Click to view attachment


The Japanese Forces are look like Real soldiers, wearing real uniforms like the germans or the french & brandishing their European like rifles. Unlike the Chinese who clinged to their old ways, wearing Pajamas and Jackets in a traditional manner, brandishing their matchlock guns and out of date weapons against them.

in a manner of these, the chinese then are considered as coward. look at the painting!
caocao74
QUOTE(Hoa Phau @ Nov 20 2005, 05:55 PM) [snapback]4771232[/snapback]
The Japanese Forces are look like Real soldiers, wearing real uniforms like the germans or the french & brandishing their European like rifles. Unlike the Chinese who clinged to their old ways, wearing Pajamas and Jackets in a traditional manner, brandishing their matchlock guns and out of date weapons against them.
in a manner of these, the chinese then are considered as coward. look at the painting!



Are you at all surprised?? This picture 'illustrates' combat in the 1st Sino-Japanese War, less than 30 years after the Meiji Isshin, so Japan does consider itself to be the most powerful, most enlightened nation-state in Asia since its modernization generally outpaced any of its neighbours.
Altaica Militarica
QUOTE(BowlingforIllidan @ Nov 19 2005, 08:37 AM) [snapback]4771130[/snapback]
a lot of Japanese woodblock prints from the war depict Chinese soldiers, but I'm not sure how far you can trust them...
for starters, the Japanese look like Europeans, while the Chinese look like goblins...Click to view attachment


Yes, exactly so. That time Qing army was not a real military power. Some reorganized troops trained by German officers proved to be low-moralled in battles.

The most part of Chinese army stuck to their traditional uniform and even to traditional weapon.

In the same time in Pamir Mountain Russian detachement had to clash with Chinese troops in order to protect the state border from the intrusion of Chinese outposts. In a battle where a Chinese soldier was killed in action and 29 were captured, Chinese troops were dressed like in XVIII century and wielded mostly matchlocks and only several men were equipped with American rifles.

In 1860-s Russian traveller Vasily V. Radlov travelled in Sinjiang and said that Chinese border troops were dressed like hangry ghosts in the Hell in ragged and torn cloths and wielded bows.

In the end of XIX century before the Boxer's Rebellion Manchu government tried to organize local Nanai people to serve in the Army along the River of Amur. Russian documents depicted nanai soldiers as tall and strong youngmen in white traditional clothes with old matchlocks which were in the very bad order.

It is not to offence anybody but the Army of the Qing Empire was corrupted and not able to protect the Empire. So after the Sino-Japanese war and after the Bxers Rebellion the traditional military organization was abandoned and the building of the New Army begin.

Frankly speaking in cases when Chinese new army wanted to fight and possesed well-trained personnell and weapon it was really strong enemy. In WWII in Burma Chinese troops re-eqiupped with modern English and American weapon were the best troops of anti-Japanese coalition.

Best regards,

Alexey.
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