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Hoa Phau
Are Jingal rifles created by the chinese to suit foreign tastes? will you give me some pictures of jingal rifles?
Yun
No, the taiqiang was a unique Chinese weapon that existed even before the Opium War. However, the Indians also had their version of large musket on swivel-stand, called a jingall. This is why the British used this term to refer to the Chinese taiqiang. Here are some pictures:





From a Chinese site: http://www.beiyang.org/bybq/taiqiang.htm
Ta-ts'in Centurion
Wow!

What's the caliber on that thing?
caocao74
Acc. http://cartridgecollectors.org/f/reply.php?id=4705,4760

"There are several calibres of Chinese Jingal Wall Guns.leaving Aside the
Muzzle Loader types, the more common ones were an 1880s enlarged copy of
the Remington Lee Bolt action rifle (original calibre 45/70 or 43 Spanish)
which were made in .60 calibre by Tientsin Arsenal, which also made the
ammo. The Jingal tended to be an "oversize" copy of an existing
European/American design. The other calibre extensively used was the .75
caliber, probably derived from a Gatling or Nordenfeldt MG cartridge of the
period. Yours is probably one of these. These could be used
interchangeably in the hand cranked MGs of the period, or in a two-man
Jingal rifle (or Rampart Gun, as they were also known.) Jingals were still
used in China up to WW II, the last model being German T18 AT rifles
(Surplus from WW I) for which several companies in Europe still made ammo
for up to the 1930s, as did the Chinese....."
Yun
So I suppose most later jingalls were indeed 'supersized' copies of Western designs?
caocao74
QUOTE(Yun @ Dec 11 2005, 01:40 AM) [snapback]4775577[/snapback]
So I suppose most later jingalls were indeed 'supersized' copies of Western designs?



Don't shoot the messenger please! I honestly don't know, just found that article and posted, more for the calibre mentioned than the Western roots of later heavy-calibre firearms. sad.gif
DuncanHead
QUOTE(Yun @ Dec 10 2005, 03:10 AM) [snapback]4775399[/snapback]
No, the taiqiang was a unique Chinese weapon that existed even before the Opium War. However, the Indians also had their version of large musket on swivel-stand, called a jingall. This is why the British used this term to refer to the Chinese taiqiang. Here are some pictures:





From a Chinese site: http://www.beiyang.org/bybq/taiqiang.htm

Hmmm. Those are unmistakably Ian Heath drawings. Probably pirated from his book on 19th-century Chinese armies (published by Wargames Foundry).
Hoa Phau
that jingal rifle is also the rifle of the enemy in my story. but The hero's father, a british soldier-scientist, captued it & modified, suitable for a single soldier to use an oversized rifle.
Inst
So, what's the range of the weapon?
caocao74
QUOTE(DuncanHead @ Dec 11 2005, 03:50 AM) [snapback]4775601[/snapback]
Hmmm. Those are unmistakably Ian Heath drawings. Probably pirated from his book on 19th-century Chinese armies (published by Wargames Foundry).



They are, as I saw them in model form when I did an internet search.
Hoa Phau
QUOTE(Inst @ Dec 12 2005, 12:12 AM) [snapback]4775892[/snapback]
So, what's the range of the weapon?


maybe same as the German T18 AT rifle. but modernised for better firepower & other kinds.
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