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CARDINAL009
Do not know if anyone asked this qstn.


Q: What's China's equivalent of Spec. Ops Force (i.e., Navy Seals, Delta Force, SAS, etc)
Referring 2 the following time era (from ancient China to modern day China)?
snowybeagle
QUOTE(CARDINAL009 @ Dec 21 2005, 08:24 AM) [snapback]4777864[/snapback]
Do not know if anyone asked this qstn.
Q: What's China's equivalent of Spec. Ops Force (i.e., Navy Seals, Delta Force, SAS, etc)
Referring 2 the following time era (from ancient China to modern day China)?

The modern special ops like those you mentioned relied heavily on modern technology to carry out their jobs such as
(1) reconnaissance (and send back the info)
(2) sabotage (e.g., demolition)
(3) sniping (to throw enemy forces into disarray)
(4) coordinate natives friendly to their own side (e.g., local resistance movements)
(5) confuse the enemy of the true objectives of their own side

Technology enabled a single person to affect much more damage than during pre-gunpowder era.

The élite troops had the flexibility of not following "orthodox warfare", and thus were called 奇兵 in ancient China. They existed both in infantry and cavalry. However, they functioned more like souped-up versions of regular troops, with more flexibility of tactics, daring to penetrate deeper into hostile territories without secure line of supplies. They still operated in formations at company levels, and totally unlike the squad level deployment of modern special ops.
Wujiang
er.............. cloud riding deities with magical items to throw at the enemy ? smile.gif
CARDINAL009
QUOTE(snowybeagle @ Dec 20 2005, 07:52 PM) [snapback]4777920[/snapback]
The modern special ops like those you mentioned relied heavily on modern technology to carry out their jobs such as
(1) reconnaissance (and send back the info)
(2) sabotage (e.g., demolition)
(3) sniping (to throw enemy forces into disarray)
(4) coordinate natives friendly to their own side (e.g., local resistance movements)
(5) confuse the enemy of the true objectives of their own side

Technology enabled a single person to affect much more damage than during pre-gunpowder era.

The élite troops had the flexibility of not following "orthodox warfare", and thus were called 奇兵 in ancient China. They existed both in infantry and cavalry. However, they functioned more like souped-up versions of regular troops, with more flexibility of tactics, daring to penetrate deeper into hostile territories without secure line of supplies. They still operated in formations at company levels, and totally unlike the squad level deployment of modern special ops.


Thks!
TMPikachu
I've heard that there were crossbow snipers who aimed for officers and such.

anyone know if there were special crossbows made to be more accurate, or what times this tactic was most commonly used in, etc.
shurite7
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I've heard that there were crossbow snipers who aimed for officers and such.

anyone know if there were special crossbows made to be more accurate, or what times this tactic was most commonly used in, etc.


I don't know where I read this but from what I remember is during the Song dynasty a group of crossbowmen used the shenbi-nu for "sniping". Not sure of their tactics though.
TMPikachu
It was probably "shoot the guy in the biggest hat" tactics.
CARDINAL009
QUOTE(TMPikachu @ Jan 6 2006, 02:15 PM) [snapback]4781610[/snapback]
It was probably "shoot the guy in the biggest hat" tactics.



Always shoot the point man, the guy with the biggest and silliest helmet, anyone who looks quiet & intense and anyone who talks loud concurrently.

Make the 1st set of shots count. Make the kill visually memorable. By ["Shocking and Aweing"] them, they'll retreat.

Think of the psychological impact on the army when Pang Juan got hit first (at Mailing).

Those who survive, will be telling stories about it f/ a long time.
BowlingforIllidan
QUOTE(shurite7 @ Jan 6 2006, 10:37 AM) [snapback]4781400[/snapback]
I don't know where I read this but from what I remember is during the Song dynasty a group of crossbowmen used the shenbi-nu for "sniping". Not sure of their tactics though.


I think one of Peer's books mentions a Song crossbow-sniper bumping off a Khitan general at Shanyuan

Obviously the easiest way to pick the rooster is by his plumage. In the US Civil War officers soon took to fighting on foot in private's uniforms (barring epaulettes) because of snipers.
Liang Jieming
Speaking of snipers, the xuanfeng pao was notable in its use for picking out enemy generals.
CARDINAL009
QUOTE(Liang Jieming @ Jan 20 2006, 12:04 AM) [snapback]4784957[/snapback]
Speaking of snipers, the xuanfeng pao was notable in its use for picking out enemy generals.


Q: Do you have a pic of the ["xuanfeng pao"]?
bayonet
In Qin state,warring period, i noticed there was a group of soldiers called 陷士, they wore civilian clothes and no armor at all. They were so skillful at fighting that always assigned to fulfill some special tasks like assasinate bigshots, night attacking, latency or even be the vanguards to seige fortress.
ih8eurocentrix
martial artists elite troops?
TMPikachu
QUOTE(bayonet @ Feb 4 2006, 05:11 AM) [snapback]4788354[/snapback]
In Qin state,warring period, i noticed there was a group of soldiers called 陷士, they wore civilian clothes and no armor at all. They were so skillful at fighting that always assigned to fulfill some special tasks like assasinate bigshots, night attacking, latency or even be the vanguards to seige fortress.


where did you find this information?
bayonet
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where did you find this information?


a program from CCTV4 once i watched, it depicted the types of troops of the Qin terracotta warriors and horses in which a troop is equipped no armor and dressed like civilians. it is said they functioned like Ops by the program.
Yang Zongbao
QUOTE(ih8eurocentrix @ Feb 4 2006, 07:58 PM) [snapback]4788406[/snapback]
martial artists elite troops?


Here we go again... I don't think I'll say anything this time about this. x.x

Is it me, or were special operations usually carried out by regular army troops, nonetheless elite/veterans (Jing Bing)?

Such as Dare-To-Die corpsmembers, and raiding teams. These seem to be picked out prior to battle from the best of the best, but they don't really receive special training, and there's not always just a team sitting around for these operations...to the best of my understanding, anyways.
CARDINAL009
QUOTE(ih8eurocentrix @ Feb 4 2006, 05:58 PM) [snapback]4788406[/snapback]
martial artists elite troops?


Q: Wouldn't any members of any elite fighting unit be studying some type of martial arts?
Yang Zongbao
Of course.
All soldiers would train in a martial art. Learning to use weapons, to fight barehanded, to shoot all count as martial arts.

But saying "Martial Artists Elite Troops" implies that it is either something special for troops to learn martial arts, or implies that they must practice some sort of special Martial Arts style that makes them "elite". I do believe that these implications are false.

But yes, troops would learn Martial Arts. But learning them does not make them special, and Elite soldiers did not learn any special martial arts.
CARDINAL009
YZb.

My point on Special Ops:

To be a member of any special op, one has to learn how to think first as a team before attending a battle himself.
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