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qrasy
QUOTE(spadia @ Mar 23 2006, 08:23 AM) [snapback]4797710[/snapback]
hototay = literally good till the bottom/good till last drop.
Yes, I know it's "好到底" but who can imagine what that is, just from the name? [and likewise, how to guess correctly something that is "quick to cook"? tongue.gif]

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Aku = AKo = I? Hope I am correct
Correct.

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Sipit in Filipino is clip or chopsticks biggrin.gif
Chopsticks=Sumpit in Indonesian biggrin.gif
penjepit (pen- is a prefix equivalent to -er) = clipper; picers;brace;tweezer

QUOTE(mudd @ Mar 23 2006, 07:23 PM) [snapback]4797892[/snapback]
I think payong in Tagalog has the same meaning as payung in Indonesian.
Umbrella?
Hendrik_2000
QUOTE(qrasy @ Mar 24 2006, 02:08 PM) [snapback]4798268[/snapback]
Yes, I know it's "好到底" but who can imagine what that is, just from the name? [and likewise, how to guess correctly something that is "quick to cook"? tongue.gif]

Correct.

Chopsticks=Sumpit in Indonesian biggrin.gif
penjepit (pen- is a prefix equivalent to -er) = clipper; picers;brace;tweezer

Umbrella?


Correct payung is umbrella
but Salamat mean thanks in Tagalog but mean congratulation in Indonesian

Batu mean stone Basicaly most of the basic word relating to day to to day life is similar
spadia
Speaking of entertainers
IPIS - Taiwan band, actually hails from the Philippines
the name means cockroach in Filipino


Though I am Cantonese, my friends are Fookienese.
It is actually hard to identify because most Cantonese here speaks fluent Fookien/Hokkien.



Some more Indonesian and Filipino similiarites
Similiar meaning including sounds alike
English / Indonesian/ Filipino
Week, Sunday/ Minggu/ Linggo
Five / Lima / Lima
Six / Enam / Anim
Thousand/ Ribu/ Libo
Week / Minggu/ Linggo
Year / Tahun / Taon
Right / Kanan / Kanan
Expensive / Mahal / Mahal
Cheap / Murah / Mura
Drink / Minum / Inom
Afraid / Takut/ Takot
Ball / Bola/ Bola
Mosquito net / Kelambu/ Kulambo
Buka / Open/ Open
Short/ Pendek/ Pandak
Sick / Sakit/ Sakit ( could mean painful)
Soap / Sabun/ Sabon
Steak meat/ Bistik / Bistek
Teacher / Guru/ Guro
Spring Roll/ Lumpia/ Lumpia smile.gif

Same words diff. meanings
Word/ Meaning in Bahasa Indonesa/ in Filipino
Hari/ Day/ King
Kapal / Boat / Thick
Tulis/ Write to / Sharp, pertaining to objects
Sama-sama/ Youre welcome/ together

My Bahasa Indonesia source: http://home.pacific.net.au/~wreid/bali_eng.html

Please check out this link:
40 ways to know if you are Filipino Chinese
http://www.tsinoy.com/article_item.php?articleid=261

I wonder if it also holds true for our overseas Chinese friends. smile.gif
Hoa Phau
QUOTE(spadia @ Mar 27 2006, 02:26 AM) [snapback]4798795[/snapback]
Week, Sunday/ Minggu/ Linggo


i think the indonesian word minggu comes from portugese (and spanish) word domingo meaning Sunday. (visayans in the philippines use the spanish word Domingo for sunday)
mudd
QUOTE(Hoa Phau @ Mar 27 2006, 04:04 PM) [snapback]4798805[/snapback]
i think the indonesian word minggu comes from portugese (and spanish) word domingo meaning Sunday. (visayans in the philippines use the spanish word Domingo for sunday)


Ilocanos and Pangasinenses also use Domingo. I'm not sure, but I think it's only in Tagalog that the term Linggo is used.
mudd
http://www.tsinoy.com/article_item.php?articleid=470

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Robert Kuan:The Entrepreneur Who Broke Traditions

Who in Manila has not heard of Chowking? Or St. Luke's Medical Center? But how many have heard of Robert Kuan? Do you know that he went against many traditions of the local Tsinoy businessmen?



Robert Kuan is the founder of the popular Chinese fast food restaurant chain in the Philippines and has since expanded to California and the Middle East where Filipinos congregate. In the late 1999, he sold all his shares to the other partner – Jollibee. In 2003, he received the “The Outstanding Filipino” (TOFIL) award for business in 2003.



Although our families were friends for three generations – counting from the days of our grandparents – I have met him only once in 1997 and after listening for hours to his stories of hardship, struggle and success; I almost missed my lunch. Because of his low profile and humility, I called him “The Invisible Entrepreneur.”



Robert Kuan traces his ancestry from Zhongshan, Guandong; the same county that produced Sun Yat- Sen and the legendary Ma Mon Luk, the inventor of Mami. In 1950, his father, together with his uncles, started the Ling Nam Wanton Parlor (originally in Zacateros St. near T. Alonso St.). I last met his mother two years ago who was still actively helping in their partly owned Ling Nam Restaurant.



What differentiates Robert Kuan from other success stories?



Knowing When to Quit

Unlike other Filipino-Chinese successful entrepreneurs, Robert Kuan knows when to quit and quitting when he was “ahead.” The norm among Tsinoys is to wait for God to issue the compulsory retirement memo. This reminds me of a successful banker who at the age of 78 confided to me that “enough is enough” and he was seriously considering retirement.



Education Led to Success

Contrary to the popular Chinese saying:”you don’t need a higher education to be successful in business,” Robert Kuan founded his fast-food chain after his MBA (1975) at the Asian Institute of Management (AIM). While John Gokongwei also finished his MBA at the De LaSalle University, he was already a successful entrepreneur when he enrolled.



Productive Life after Retiring from Business

Robert devoted much of his energy at St. Luke’s Medical Center where he serves as the Chairman of the Board of Trustees, overseeing its improvement and expansion, and is one of the best hospitals in the Philippines. In addition, he sits on the board of Trinity College and the Brent International School. He also actively serves in the Philippine Episcopal Church.



Breaking from Traditional Chinese Legacy

He broke from the Chinese tradition by not leaving his business empire to his four children. Although Robert Kuan advises his children occasionally, they are still struggling with their own businesses.



*I also break tradition. I don’t patronize Chowking for its Chinese food but I go there for my favorite halo-halo, a typical and favorite Filipino dessert.



Oddly enough, Chowking now serves Kangkong. I myself have not thought of the concept of serving kangkong in a fastfood chain. wink.gif
qrasy
QUOTE(spadia @ Mar 27 2006, 03:26 PM) [snapback]4798795[/snapback]
Ball / Bola/ Bola
Loan from European language.
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Buka / Open/ Open
??

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Steak meat/ Bistik / Bistek
Seemingly derived from "beef steak".
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Teacher / Guru/ Guro
India loan
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Spring Roll/ Lumpia/ Lumpia
Fujianese.

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Kapal / Boat / Thick
Indonesian: Tebal=thick

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Sama-sama/ Youre welcome/ together
Actually, 'sama-sama' also means 'together' in Indonesian. And like "repeating" a congratulation. (like "to you as well")

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40 ways to know if you are Filipino Chinese
http://www.tsinoy.com/article_item.php?articleid=261
I'll check it out g.gif
If that contains "know some things about Filipino" then certainly I'll get low mark tongue.gif
lanjingling
QUOTE(mudd @ Mar 23 2006, 05:23 AM) [snapback]4797892[/snapback]
I thought of something, let's make a list of Fil-Chis in the entertainment industry. post-81-1094881491.gif Add if you please. My list is very incomplete.

Music
Jose Mari Chan
Raymond Lauchengco
Arthur Bernard Tan(aka Champ Lui Pio of Hale)
Jose Angelo Gellada(aka Sheldon of Hale)
Richard Poon(U-turn)
Kelvin Yu(Itchyworms)
Rachelle Ann Go

Do you know if Joey Santiago , lead guitar in the great american band "the Pixies", is Chinese-Philippino ?He was born in the Philippine then moved in the U.S.A. at the age of 7 with his family.
mudd
I thought bistek was from the spanish word "Bistec" which means Beef Steak? That's curious... hmm.

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Do you know if Joey Santiago , lead guitar in the great american band "the Pixies", is Chinese-Philippino ?He was born in the Philippine then moved in the U.S.A. at the age of 7 with his family.


I wouldn't guess at first since he has a Filipino surname. But that's interesting. I'm not familiar with him for I am not aware of "The Pixies".
spadia
QUOTE(mudd @ Mar 29 2006, 08:34 PM) [snapback]4799320[/snapback]
http://www.tsinoy.com/article_item.php?articleid=470
Oddly enough, Chowking now serves Kangkong. I myself have not thought of the concept of serving kangkong in a fastfood chain. wink.gif


My parents know Robert Kuan, they belong to the same church. Honestly, the article is glorifying him. tongue.gif
Chowking for me is always Filipino style Chinese food, yes I like only the Halo-halo

How about Francine Dee? post-81-1094881491.gif
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francine_Dee
Hoa Phau
QUOTE(mudd @ Mar 30 2006, 06:38 AM) [snapback]4799659[/snapback]
I thought bistek was from the spanish word "Bistec" which means Beef Steak? That's curious... hmm.


maybe bistik and bistek comes from the spanish word bistec which means beef steak. the spaniards are the ones who bring this tasty delicacy to the philippines along with Adobo. But the filipinos are the ones who devised their own delicacy derived from these spanish foods.
Hei Xin
WHat a great TOpic. As HUsband to a Filipina and Student of CHinese History i love to see a connection. I Especially like the part about General Paua.

I am interested in the Location of any Taoist temples in the Phillipines.

I am also CUrious about my wifes last name, Guiang. One of her cousins Mentioned something once about chinese Pirates, and my Wife certainly doesnt look Filipino(although her parents do).
spadia
QUOTE(Hei Xin @ Apr 18 2006, 06:50 AM) [snapback]4804712[/snapback]
WHat a great TOpic. As HUsband to a Filipina and Student of CHinese History i love to see a connection. I Especially like the part about General Paua.

I am interested in the Location of any Taoist temples in the Phillipines.

I am also CUrious about my wifes last name, Guiang. One of her cousins Mentioned something once about chinese Pirates, and my Wife certainly doesnt look Filipino(although her parents do).


There are only a few Taoist temples scattered around the Philippines.

One of them is in Beverly Hills.....Cebu tongue.gif
http://www.pbase.com/cesar_junior/image/55412928

Paco, Manila
Paco Hong Giarn Taoist Temple

I really dont know much about Taoism...but it seems Buddhist temples here have Taoist dieties too

Here is some info regarding the surname "Guiang"
http://www.guiang.info/surname

If you talk about Chinese pirates...the most famous is Limahong. Actually he is the only Chinese pirate that is recorded in Philippine history.

Here is another side of Limahong..it seems he is not a blood thirsty pirate as how others described him.

http://www.manilatimes.net/national/2004/a...040807pro7.html

The above mentioned Domalandan which is part of Lingayen.

Here is the map of Luzon and Lingayen
http://www.pwsdb.com/FortLauderdalePCG/ima...ap-ph-Luzon.jpg

Oh one more thing. Filipina wives are known to be very sweet and caring. smile.gif
Hang Li Po
QUOTE(spadia @ Mar 27 2006, 03:26 PM) [snapback]4798795[/snapback]
Speaking of entertainers
IPIS - Taiwan band, actually hails from the Philippines
the name means cockroach in Filipino
Though I am Cantonese, my friends are Fookienese.
It is actually hard to identify because most Cantonese here speaks fluent Fookien/Hokkien.
Some more Indonesian and Filipino similiarites
Similiar meaning including sounds alike
English / Indonesian/ Filipino
Week, Sunday/ Minggu/ Linggo
Five / Lima / Lima
Six / Enam / Anim
Thousand/ Ribu/ Libo
Week / Minggu/ Linggo
Year / Tahun / Taon
Right / Kanan / Kanan
Expensive / Mahal / Mahal
Cheap / Murah / Mura
Drink / Minum / Inom
Afraid / Takut/ Takot
Ball / Bola/ Bola
Mosquito net / Kelambu/ Kulambo
Buka / Open/ Open
Short/ Pendek/ Pandak
Sick / Sakit/ Sakit ( could mean painful)
Soap / Sabun/ Sabon
Steak meat/ Bistik / Bistek
Teacher / Guru/ Guro
Spring Roll/ Lumpia/ Lumpia smile.gif

Same words diff. meanings
Word/ Meaning in Bahasa Indonesa/ in Filipino
Hari/ Day/ King
Kapal / Boat / Thick
Tulis/ Write to / Sharp, pertaining to objects
Sama-sama/ Youre welcome/ together

My Bahasa Indonesia source: http://home.pacific.net.au/~wreid/bali_eng.html

Please check out this link:
40 ways to know if you are Filipino Chinese
http://www.tsinoy.com/article_item.php?articleid=261

I wonder if it also holds true for our overseas Chinese friends. smile.gif



Malay & Indon

Mahal = Expensive

Sayang @ Cinta = Love

Pinoy

Mahal = Love wub.gif
naruwan
QUOTE(Hang Li Po @ Apr 18 2006, 01:45 AM) [snapback]4804819[/snapback]
Malay

Mahal = Exspensive

Sayang @ Cinta = Love

Pinoy

Mahal = Love wub.gif


Mahal Kita
Hang Li Po
QUOTE(naruwan @ Apr 18 2006, 04:50 PM) [snapback]4804822[/snapback]
Mahal Kita


Saya Sayang Kamu wub.gif
naruwan
QUOTE(Hang Li Po @ Apr 18 2006, 02:01 AM) [snapback]4804824[/snapback]
Saya Sayang Kamu wub.gif


I care about you too!! smile.gif
Hei Xin
THanks spadia.

My Wifes family is Pangasinon so that was some good information. SHe also is always mistaken for CHinese or Korean.

THey are loving arent they? too bad i cant eat most of the food. AMpalaya rules!
Hoa Phau
QUOTE(Hei Xin @ Apr 18 2006, 11:01 AM) [snapback]4804871[/snapback]
THanks spadia.

My Wifes family is Pangasinon so that was some good information. SHe also is always mistaken for CHinese or Korean.

THey are loving arent they? too bad i cant eat most of the food. AMpalaya rules!


So u r a Pangasinense with chinese blood ha! "ok to!" cool!!!
Cao Jin Shan 曹金山
Dudes.... was reading this thread and when i saw Hei Xin's Ampalaya Rules!!!

just had to react....
(by the way Hei Xin, it's Pangasinan, not Pangasinon - so you can boast to your wife that you didn't forget her hometown....)

And yup, I'm Filipino Chinese.
Philippines-born from Chinese parents (Dad from Canton, Mom from Fujian) and studied in Metro Manila Chinese school.
Languages spoken - little Cantonese-from Dad, moderate Fookien-from Mom/GrandMa & average Mandarin (汉语)-from School, English, Filipino-Tagalog, little Filipino-Bisaya, nuff said....
Present location - Shanghai, China (back to the Motherland, folks.... just 2 months ago for work.....)

I've never liked ampalaya and i've scarcely eaten it back in the Phil, but after eating only Chinese food for the past 2 months..... i kinda missed it..... hmmm weird......

nice posts from the Fil-Chi's.... we're actually known as FBC here in China..... (not PBC, don't know why) and most of the Mainlanders think that all FBC's are "financially" endowed since most of us have cars back in Phil..... coz it's pretty d**** expensive here, even for Japanese cars like toyotas, etc. Unless you wanna buy a Chinese car....

Last but not the least, just to clarify Fil-Chinese surnames...... the long ones like Tanbonliong, are obviously the whole Chinese name of their ascendant who first came to the Phil. And adding to what spadia said, they actually served two purposes, as sort of tribute/memory of this Ancestor AND as a disguise to sound more Filipino/Spanish (don't know how, though..... Tanbonliong doesn't sound as near Spanish as Accura is to English.....) Anyway, during those times, you couldn't buy land or own business if you didn't have a "Filipino-sounding" surname, so the disguise....

Like for me, my Filipino surname is Ortiz but my original Chinese surname is Cao (曹)..... yes, as in Cao Cao!
I've made a post of my surname in the appropriate thread.... just go there if you wanna see more details.....

Also, have a little prob with my Mandarin, since the Mandarin language taught in Chinese schools in the Phil are Taiwan based using phoenetics and not the Mainland based using PinYin (this was years ago.... though).
out....
utu10
Wow, this is really an interesting thread. Keep it up!
Minty
Somebody explain to me about the ethnic make up of Pilipino population:

I notice the appearances of Pilipino vary a lot. Some are very dark look like southern Thai or pure Malays, some are very fair and have semi Caucasian, while some look like East Asians. Are the Philippines a multicultural society?
spadia
QUOTE(Minty @ May 1 2006, 09:33 AM) [snapback]4807761[/snapback]
Somebody explain to me about the ethnic make up of Pilipino population:

I notice the appearances of Pilipino vary a lot. Some are very dark look like southern Thai or pure Malays, some are very fair and have semi Caucasian, while some look like East Asians. Are the Philippines a multicultural society?


Yes we are multicultural

Malay, Chinese, Spanish, American and Indians too smile.gif

The Indian looking people were introduced by the British invaders in the 18th century
http://www.regiments.org/wars/18thcent/56philip.htm
The "Sepoys" decided to stay in the Philippines and the rest is history.

We also have tribal people Negritos,Igorots,Tausugs, Subanons etc.
http://www.emailpinoy.com/educational/phil...es-tribes.shtml

From Wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_Groups...the_Philippines
General_Zhaoyun
Spadia,

Is mixed marriage (inter-racials) common between the chinese in the Philippines with the other races in Philippines (such as Malays, Spanish, Indians, Tribals) etc?
spadia
QUOTE(General_Zhaoyun @ May 16 2006, 08:51 PM) [snapback]4810900[/snapback]
Spadia,

Is mixed marriage (inter-racials) common between the chinese in the Philippines with the other races in Philippines (such as Malays, Spanish, Indians, Tribals) etc?


The 2nd -3rd generation(grandparents or parents from China) Chinese still prefer Chinese to Chinese marriage.
But it is now quite common to see a Chinese to marrying Malays(Some of us still call them as Hwanas)

The reason is that the Chinese guys think Filipinas are more sweet and caring.
Chinese girls marrying Filipino is uncommon, most of the girls' parents will never agree to that marriage because the girl will lose her Chinese surname。

Why some Chinese(usually older generations) dont like interracial marriages
1. Cultural difference
2. Filipinos are after their money
3. The Filipinos might bring their family and relatives to live with the Chinese.
4. As you know the Chinese value "face" 面子, So, they cant stand pesky Chinese aunts/relatives saying bad things(三姑六婆嘰嘰喳喳的)tongue.gif

As for Chinese-natives.
I heard that many Cantonese in Baguio(northern part of Philippines) married Igorot natives.

Chinese marrying Spanish or Indian is not very common, but there is.
Some of my friends are Filipinas with Chinese and Spanish blood (Quite pretty smile.gif
zai zai zhou
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Cojuangco, Coyuito,Cotio (Co or 許) Tanchangco, Tanjuatco, Tanquincen (Tan or 陳), Gotauco, Gohoco, Gokongwei(Go 吳),Syjuco(Sy 施) Limcuco (Lim林), Chuacuco, Chuateco (Chua 蔡), Sozon, Sosuan (So or 蘇) .While during American occupation to present Republic, the Chinese allowed to retain their surnames unlike the Indonesian Chinese and Thai Chinese.
some of them looks like American Indian words?
By the way, similar idea to many Indonesia-Chinese surnames, though some chose to change to unrelated surnames. I think Chinese in Indonesia changed surname not during the Dutch colonization but the new regime..


It doesn't sound nor look like chinese words because Spanish officials tampered it. The officials were having a hard time spelling it when they tried to get the census of Chinese people in Manila. An example is cojuangco, the original form of it is co huang co and Spanish change the h to j cuz that is what they use in their language instead of h. Another example is gokongwei its original form is go kong wei... another reason is that spanish didn't allow chinese to have business so they tried to change their surnames which I believe was mention by another guy from this forum... I edited it now tongue.gif

-spruced up by WangEnlai, hope you don't mind Zai Zai tongue.gif-
General_Zhaoyun
QUOTE(zai zai zhou @ Jun 14 2006, 09:43 PM) [snapback]4817035[/snapback]
It doesn't sound nor look like chinese word cuz the spanish officials tampered cuz they are having a hardtime spelling it when they tried to get the cnesus of chinese people in manila one example is cojuangco the the original form of it is co huang co the spanish change the h to j cuz that is is what they use in their language instead of h, another example is gokongwei it origianl form is go kong wei... smile.gif


It would help us understand your english if you can add punctuations to your passage.
Hoa Phau
QUOTE(spadia @ Feb 6 2006, 10:24 PM) [snapback]4788702[/snapback]
Oops sorry.. yes..probably the natives called the island luson or something , the Chinese traders then recorded it, the Spanish retained the name. smile.gif

Anyone been to Philippines? smile.gif


yes, but spain added another name for luzon: Nueva Castilla or New Castille.
Jobbes
Woah...I never knew there was a forum that talks about Chinese culture and our roots.
I also never expected there would be a topic for Filipino-Chinese. ^____^

Anyhow, I am a PBC (Philippine-born-Chinese). ^_-
Yu Huang Shang Ti
is there anyone else whos filipino chinese here?
Alex Kho
How about getting more Filipino chinese into this forum? Or talk of subjects of interests to Filipino chinese?

Subjects like:

What is the earliest historical reference to Chinese in the Philippines?

History (stories) of migration to the Philippines of Chinese from Manland China, Taiwan, Singapore, etc...

etc..

Incidentally, many of us are called Chinese Filipinos, meaning we are Filipinos of Chinese ancestry. They call us Chinoys or popularly as Tsinoys.

What would the other Chinese be interested in knowing about the Chinese Filipinos?

Let us start with references to the Ming dynasty: Please visit:

Chinese Culture Forum at Asiawind
http://www.asiawind.com/forums/read.php?f=...p;t=943&v=f

UROPEAN HISTORY 1400 - 1449
http://www.telusplanet.net/public/dgarneau/euro58.htm

HISTORICAL SITES AND RELICS, TOURIST ATTRACTIONS in Sulu
http://www.lupahsug.com/attractions.php?PH...b7d5d3c6bdb7b8c

What do you think of the stories? Can somebody help in digging more about these stories?
Chiang Kai-shek
QUOTE(Yu Huang Shang Ti @ Jun 11 2007, 09:05 AM) [snapback]4892030[/snapback]
is there anyone else whos filipino chinese here?


Kumusta ka, pare.

Chinoy ako Chinoy tayo!

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Yu Huang Shang Ti
QUOTE(Chiang Kai-shek @ Jun 14 2007, 08:12 AM) [snapback]4892737[/snapback]
Kumusta ka, pare.

Chinoy ako Chinoy tayo!

jump.gif

^^ hehehe i just realized that there are just a few filipino chinese here hehehe
so where u from?

QUOTE(Chiang Kai-shek @ Jun 14 2007, 08:12 AM) [snapback]4892737[/snapback]
Kumusta ka, pare.

Chinoy ako Chinoy tayo!

jump.gif

^^ hehehe i just realized that there are just a few filipino chinese here hehehe
so where u from?
Chiang Kai-shek
Ako si Singaporean pero shotako Filipina.

Saakin chinoy ako.

rolleyes.gif

meanwhile, enjoy this song!

http://www.tristancafe.com/music/flash/pinoyako.html
Yu Huang Shang Ti
QUOTE(Chiang Kai-shek @ Jun 14 2007, 08:27 AM) [snapback]4892743[/snapback]
Ako si Singaporean pero shotako Filipina.

Saakin chinoy ako.

rolleyes.gif

meanwhile, enjoy this song!

http://www.tristancafe.com/music/flash/pinoyako.html


Lolz dont like that song it emphasizes the hagimon of emperial manila over the visayas
General_Zhaoyun
I've merged your topic to a previous threads that talk about the history of Filipino Chinese.

Spadia, one of our Filipino chinese members, has some expertise in the history of Filipino chinese.
Hoa Phau
QUOTE(Chiang Kai-shek @ Jun 14 2007, 08:27 AM) *
Ako si Singaporean pero shotako Filipina.

Saakin chinoy ako.

rolleyes.gif

meanwhile, enjoy this song!

http://www.tristancafe.com/music/flash/pinoyako.html



Are you Watching Pinoy Big Brother? That song is the Theme of that show. I used to watch it heheheeh.
Some of the "Housemates" are Half-Chinese too.

As of now, the second seazon has ended. Chiang, If you want to watch Pinoy Big Brother-Watch it on Youtube.
jayshen
Yoz..

my dad's chinese and mum's is a from philippines.... stayed in philippines when i was very young and then moved back to Singapore( Dad is a SG chinese).

I think my heritage is very interesting because i live in a very chinese cultured country yet my family is very philippino due to my mum's influence. The best example is in my food. There alot of food that i ate growing up that i have always assumed is Chinese. But recently discovered that alot of the stuff i eat is actually philippino dishes. My fav example is Kalamansi Juice. although it is available to the public at the food centers in Singapore, i realised that it is not a very common drink as alot of my friends seem to have never tasted it. In my family, my mum makes it several times a week.

But there is one dish that i think is the most interesting. My mum used to make this dish often for breakfast and my friends were so surprised and asked if this was a Philippine dish. I finally found out where that dish's inspiration came from. It was my mum trying to imitate Jolibee's breakfast set meals. hahah...
Chiang Kai-shek
QUOTE(Hoa Phau @ Jul 1 2007, 04:24 PM) *
Are you Watching Pinoy Big Brother? That song is the Theme of that show. I used to watch it heheheeh.
Some of the "Housemates" are Half-Chinese too.

As of now, the second seazon has ended. Chiang, If you want to watch Pinoy Big Brother-Watch it on Youtube.


I just love the song, pare.....
whipsandchains
QUOTE(jayshen @ Jul 4 2007, 07:22 PM) *
Yoz..

my dad's chinese and mum's is a from philippines.... stayed in philippines when i was very young and then moved back to Singapore( Dad is a SG chinese).

I think my heritage is very interesting because i live in a very chinese cultured country yet my family is very philippino due to my mum's influence. The best example is in my food. There alot of food that i ate growing up that i have always assumed is Chinese. But recently discovered that alot of the stuff i eat is actually philippino dishes. My fav example is Kalamansi Juice. although it is available to the public at the food centers in Singapore, i realised that it is not a very common drink as alot of my friends seem to have never tasted it. In my family, my mum makes it several times a week.

But there is one dish that i think is the most interesting. My mum used to make this dish often for breakfast and my friends were so surprised and asked if this was a Philippine dish. I finally found out where that dish's inspiration came from. It was my mum trying to imitate Jolibee's breakfast set meals. hahah...


Kamusta pare? Inom tayo! Makano yan? Isang Redhorse. Hindi ako makaintindi ng tagalog.

Haha, thats all I learned from my stay there in the Philippines. I was in Manila and Davao City with some of my Filipino friends and they brought me to lots of night clubs. I tried a dish called "sisig" (tastes great and goes great with beer!) but I was wondering, what part of the pig is it made out of?
grimblegrumble
QUOTE(whipsandchains @ Jul 13 2007, 03:33 PM) *
Kamusta pare? Inom tayo! Makano yan? Isang Redhorse. Hindi ako makaintindi ng tagalog.

Haha, thats all I learned from my stay there in the Philippines. I was in Manila and Davao City with some of my Filipino friends and they brought me to lots of night clubs. I tried a dish called "sisig" (tastes great and goes great with beer!) but I was wondering, what part of the pig is it made out of?

I think like the Chinese, Filipinos are also not very picky when it comes to food. Anything edible is cooked and used as a source of nutrition. Sisig is basically the pig's cheeks, nose, and ears chopped into tiny pieces. I like it, too, but somehow it doesn't agree well with my digestive system especially when I eat it at night. Too greasy.
Wan Ren aka Danny
QUOTE(spadia @ Feb 5 2006, 04:31 AM) *
Yes..I am Filipino Chinese...Filipino citizenship but Chinese parents.

I agree that the Chinese population here is a minority, but a lot of Filipinos here have Chinese roots. Below are some interesting Hispanicized Chinese surnames. These were given to the Chinese immigrants during the Spanish colonization of the Philippines(1500's to 1900's).
Cojuangco, Coyuito,Cotio (Co or 許) Tanchangco, Tanjuatco, Tanquincen (Tan or 陳), Gotauco, Gohoco, Gokongwei(Go 吳),Syjuco(Sy 施) Limcuco (Lim林), Chuacuco, Chuateco (Chua 蔡), Sozon, Sosuan (So or 蘇) .While during American occupation to present Republic, the Chinese allowed to retain their surnames unlike the Indonesian Chinese and Thai Chinese.


Culturally, I dont think so. There are strong Chinese influences here. Take for example the Filipino language:
The word Susi or key is derived from Chinese 鎖匙, Siopao, Siomai 燒賣燒包, Achi 阿姐, Ditsi (二姐) just to name a few.

There are some places in the Philippines derived from Chinese names (Ongpin St. 王彬街),Sangley pt.
it is a Naval base, the place used to be trading point for Chinese merchants, the word Sangley comes from 生意in Fookienese) The Chinese during the Spanish colonial days were called Sangleys, a story goes like this: A Spaniard asked a Chinese merchant who they are, the merchant thought the Spaniard is asking what he is up to, so he replied sangley, so the rest is history)
Even the Philippines' main island Luzon is derived from Chinese 呂宋.

Chinese institutions and organizations are allowed. We even have our Chinese newspaper circulations. Such as
www.siongpo.com
www.worldnews.com.ph/

As I've mentioned previously, our national hero Dr. Jose Rizal has Chinese roots.

There are some Chinese culture here that is quite uncommon to overseas Chinese.
Such as the Fukien word Chia tao (車頭) Can anyone guess what it means? smile.gif

MOoncake game (pua tiong chiu)
http://www.common-talk.com/040921/culturearts.html

Interesting article here from Wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Filipino

I believe Chinese influence here is similar to Malaysia. Except most kids nowadays no longer speak fluent Chinese.



Just to add a few: before the declaration of martial law in 1972 by Pres. Marcos, by the way he too has Chinese ancestry. Local Chinese have their own Chinese educational school system, the Chinese Boys Scouts are associated and are directly under the Republic of China, many martial art schools are loyalist to the ROC and finally ROC recognize and accept all Chinese citizens as citizen of ROC no difference from Chinese in Taiwan. Many Pilipino-Chinese went to Taiwan to work and no restriction was apply on them except they must join or are drated into the ROC military for compulsary service, I think two years of service as citizen of ROC.

After ROC lost its' place in the UN to the PROC, thanks to the USA ROC policy started to change and one of the changes was that Pilipini-Chinese of Chinese citizens are no longer consider citizens of ROC but are classify as de facto citizens without any rights or protection from the ROC although many still carry the ROC passport in those passports is a stamp that state that the holder is not a full time ROC citizen th epassport is basically useless, those Pilipino-Chinese holders of ROC passports became stateless people and that was the time that many local Chinese started to apply for Philippine citizenship.

The Chinese Boys Scout in the Philippines was dissolved and was integrated with the Philippine Boy Scouts.
amazonia13
Chinese here in the Philippines are usually the well-off group. However, some Tranditional well off families here still believes that Chinese is for chinese. and this kind of mentallity always ends up misunderstanding about chinese people. I must admit, I am also a victim of this practice. I am half chinese and yet the guy I am dating still dont consider me as chinese. I dont know how much chinese blood a person should have to be considered as "chinese" by these traditional well-off families. sad.gif
Wan Ren aka Danny
QUOTE(amazonia13 @ Aug 22 2007, 04:01 AM) *
Chinese here in the Philippines are usually the well-off group. However, some Tranditional well off families here still believes that Chinese is for chinese. and this kind of mentallity always ends up misunderstanding about chinese people. I must admit, I am also a victim of this practice. I am half chinese and yet the guy I am dating still dont consider me as chinese. I dont know how much chinese blood a person should have to be considered as "chinese" by these traditional well-off families. sad.gif


In every society or race there will always be racial profiling. In the Philippines it is about rich and poor, about ethnicity, tradition & religion. It does not only exist in the Fili-Chinese community but also in the local Filipinos as well.

Nonetheless, there are now many Fili-Chinese families who are more acceptable to multiculturalism. In fact majority of Fil-Chinese younger generation are more accepting than the early generation.

I for one am a baby boomer who grew up back in the 60s and 70s (in fact I am still growing hehe) and IMO the reason why there was so much division and racisim was because families at that time felt that they need to protect their own group against outsiders who are viewed as a threat to their well being which in some degree was very true.

Local Chinese at that time could not hide from getting attack by locals, the attacks come mostly from verbal abused, taunting, spitting and physical harassment. That kind of confrontation created a barrier between locals and Fil-Chinese and in the Fil-Chinese a sub barrier existed between tsu si ya (half Chinese) and none half Chinese. Because the none tsu si yah msitrusted the tsu si yah's character.

Character would mean, at that time locals are view as untrustworthy, lazy, and full of bs and that characterization became more evident and was compounded with the locals hostile attitude towards Fil-Chinese.

In most cases though, many locals who have prooven to be of good moral character and good social well being were accepted and would lead to mix marriages or marriages.

The stigma that have branded locals as lazy, untrustworthy, uncultured and irresponsible have stucked with them up to this date and that is the first thing that most Fili-Chinese would see or treat locals or tsu si ya. In most cases after they get to know them or each other by exhibiting good manners, good culture, character and attitude that relationship become more positive.

Being Chinese i snot only about having Chinese blood or ancestors it is about understanding the Chinese ways. There are many Europeans who have great understanding of the Chinese culture that basically Chinese do not consider them as foreigners at all. In fact in the eyes of mainlanders, I would be consider none Chinese because I do not speak mandarin which I have no problem with I am happy with what I am.

People who are too blinded with social or racial aristocracy is best ignored notworthy.gif
sg_han
Wan Ren aka Dann... your homeland is in the Philppines but you are now a Canadian Chinese?
Wan Ren aka Danny
QUOTE(sg_han @ Aug 24 2007, 07:30 AM) *
Wan Ren aka Dann... your homeland is in the Philppines but you are now a Canadian Chinese?


I am now a multi person.......Fil-Chinese-Canadian. notworthy.gif I may want to be an American, New Zealander or Australian biggrin.gif

In hokkian this refer to us ' di siao siao" g.gif sad.gif

I guess I have to be Canadian first because it is my new adopted home and country, Filipino second because it is my birth place and Chinese third because of my ancestors. Just like Americans they do not consider themselves as English Americans but just plain patriotic Americans.
Wan Ren aka Danny
QUOTE(sg_han @ Aug 24 2007, 07:30 AM) *
Wan Ren aka Dann... your homeland is in the Philppines but you are now a Canadian Chinese?


I am now a multi person.......Fil-Chinese-Canadian. notworthy.gif I may want to be an American, New Zealander or Australian biggrin.gif

In hokkian this refer to us ' di siao siao" g.gif sad.gif

I guess I have to be Canadian first because it is my new adopted home and country, Filipino second because it is my birth place and Chinese third because of my ancestors. Just like Americans they do not consider themselves as English Americans but just plain patriotic Americans.
sg_han
QUOTE(Wan Ren aka Danny @ Aug 26 2007, 12:26 AM) *
I am now a multi person.......Fil-Chinese-Canadian. notworthy.gif I may want to be an American, New Zealander or Australian biggrin.gif

In hokkian this refer to us ' di siao siao" g.gif sad.gif

I guess I have to be Canadian first because it is my new adopted home and country, Filipino second because it is my birth place and Chinese third because of my ancestors. Just like Americans they do not consider themselves as English Americans but just plain patriotic Americans.



Tell me more about life of a typical filipino chinese. i am interested to know about it. care to tell me=)
Wan Ren aka Danny
QUOTE(sg_han @ Aug 26 2007, 10:33 AM) *
Tell me more about life of a typical filipino chinese. i am interested to know about it. care to tell me=)



I can only tell you about it during my generation of growing up in the Philippines the time line would be from the late 50s to the mid 90s.

Majority of early Chinese who came to the Philippines were not rich most of the Chinese are from the Fujian province from villages and areas such as Quanzhou or Chan chiu, Chio Sai, Xiamen, Putian, etc. averagely are from Quanzhou.

They left China out of neccessity because of the ongoing civil war, uncertainty, social turmoil, and the threat of an open war with Japan. They consist of farmers, carpenters, businessmen etc. etc.

Many of those early Chinese immigrants share the same expereince with all other hua kiaos from North America to Europe they all have to struggle and work in difficult situation they were heavily discriminated.

In Manila, Chinese preservere and work hard to blend in with the Filipino society they share their culture and their traites, there was intermarriages. Heavy distrust of local Chinese towards the Filipinos was high because IMO the native Filipinos who were generally very freindly and welcoming have been heavily influence by their colonial rulers back then that situation develop a hostile attitude towards Chinese.

The Fil-Chinese became defensive and the more they felt that they have to stick together in order to survive in that kind of environment.

Fil-Chinese were hard working, they have strong bond towards family members, clan members and fellow Chinese. Early Fil-Chinese social virtue was strong and honorable it was so strong that verbal contracts & promises was highly acceptable and is bonding enough in the business community.

They would work long hours, community centres that took the form of martial clubs, clan association and temples were very helpful to provide assistance and aid to Fil-Chinese who are in trouble be it medical, social, education or business.

Life in the 60s as I can remember were very dificult as far as associating with locals. 85% of Fil-Chinese would be confronted with verbal attacks, and physical assualt when ever they venture into the mainstream commnity. The only way a Fil-Chinese can escape such abuses is for them not to be too Chinese or look like Chinese. Chinese who have darker skin and less kinky or slid eyes can easily blend in.

But for Fil-Chinese like me who have kinky eyes it is difficult not to get attack. In spite of all these social hostility Fil-CHinese were able to found success and stability life of Fil-Chinese were more stable and secure compare to local Filipinos and IMHO it is because Fil-Chinese have the following traites:
1. Honest
2. Integrity
3. Hardworking
4. Fortitude
5. Sense of pride
6. Family and community responsibility
7. Foresight for a better tomorrow
8. Virtue

One thing that I like to share and the reason why I say those attibutes is because I have witness through my father, grand parents, grand uncles, and many of my elders especially my father that in his early business life his financial aid or loans was granted to him through verbal contracts only. Bankers and financers give more value to verbal contracts then written ones. Now a days both verbal and written contracts are still not good enough to secure an honest loan or aid, now a days honor, virtue, respect, and integrity are all but a fools man own habit. Too many people are cheating each other and taking advantage of those who are honest.

In the late 80s to the mid 90s there was a spike of kidnappings targetted against Fil-Chinese. These kidnappings was later learn was being operated by organize crime at first it was thought that it was local base mostly Politicians, and other ranking public officers such as those in the law enforcement. Later although no clear evidence was presented it was highly suspected that it was criminal gangs from mainlabd China who introduce this "lucrative bussiness" by partnering up with corrupt local officials.

Fil-Chinese rally together against this criminal act and we even approach the Chinese (PRC at that time the ROC have already lost their status) Embassy for help but was informed that there is nothing they can do except to issue a public opinion regarding what is happening. And the reason was because the PRC do not recognized the rights of overseas Chinese even though many of them are still "Chinese citizens". We were basically left on our own sad.gif

The Philippine government finally took some serious action after they received reports that Fil-Chinese were planning to start arming themselves (not with martial weapons but with firearms) and create a self defense police force. The Philippine government then created the PACC (Philippine Anti Crime Commission) and the Fil-Chinese were "encourage" to throw all their support to this agency.

Now, thatI am not in the country for more than 10 years what I have seen from my nieces and nephews is that 85% of racial attacks towards Fil-Chinese have disappeared. Things are a lot better now as far as social life is concern but not in security.

IMO, new generation of Fil-Chinese are slowly loosing their identity and integrity of our forefathers.
sg_han
QUOTE(Wan Ren aka Danny @ Aug 27 2007, 12:40 AM) *
I can only tell you about it during my generation of growing up in the Philippines the time line would be from the late 50s to the mid 90s.

Majority of early Chinese who came to the Philippines were not rich most of the Chinese are from the Fujian province from villages and areas such as Quanzhou or Chan chiu, Chio Sai, Xiamen, Putian, etc. averagely are from Quanzhou.

They left China out of neccessity because of the ongoing civil war, uncertainty, social turmoil, and the threat of an open war with Japan. They consist of farmers, carpenters, businessmen etc. etc.

Many of those early Chinese immigrants share the same expereince with all other hua kiaos from North America to Europe they all have to struggle and work in difficult situation they were heavily discriminated.

In Manila, Chinese preservere and work hard to blend in with the Filipino society they share their culture and their traites, there was intermarriages. Heavy distrust of local Chinese towards the Filipinos was high because IMO the native Filipinos who were generally very freindly and welcoming have been heavily influence by their colonial rulers back then that situation develop a hostile attitude towards Chinese.

The Fil-Chinese became defensive and the more they felt that they have to stick together in order to survive in that kind of environment.

Fil-Chinese were hard working, they have strong bond towards family members, clan members and fellow Chinese. Early Fil-Chinese social virtue was strong and honorable it was so strong that verbal contracts & promises was highly acceptable and is bonding enough in the business community.

They would work long hours, community centres that took the form of martial clubs, clan association and temples were very helpful to provide assistance and aid to Fil-Chinese who are in trouble be it medical, social, education or business.

Life in the 60s as I can remember were very dificult as far as associating with locals. 85% of Fil-Chinese would be confronted with verbal attacks, and physical assualt when ever they venture into the mainstream commnity. The only way a Fil-Chinese can escape such abuses is for them not to be too Chinese or look like Chinese. Chinese who have darker skin and less kinky or slid eyes can easily blend in.

But for Fil-Chinese like me who have kinky eyes it is difficult not to get attack. In spite of all these social hostility Fil-CHinese were able to found success and stability life of Fil-Chinese were more stable and secure compare to local Filipinos and IMHO it is because Fil-Chinese have the following traites:
1. Honest
2. Integrity
3. Hardworking
4. Fortitude
5. Sense of pride
6. Family and community responsibility
7. Foresight for a better tomorrow
8. Virtue

One thing that I like to share and the reason why I say those attibutes is because I have witness through my father, grand parents, grand uncles, and many of my elders especially my father that in his early business life his financial aid or loans was granted to him through verbal contracts only. Bankers and financers give more value to verbal contracts then written ones. Now a days both verbal and written contracts are still not good enough to secure an honest loan or aid, now a days honor, virtue, respect, and integrity are all but a fools man own habit. Too many people are cheating each other and taking advantage of those who are honest.

In the late 80s to the mid 90s there was a spike of kidnappings targetted against Fil-Chinese. These kidnappings was later learn was being operated by organize crime at first it was thought that it was local base mostly Politicians, and other ranking public officers such as those in the law enforcement. Later although no clear evidence was presented it was highly suspected that it was criminal gangs from mainlabd China who introduce this "lucrative bussiness" by partnering up with corrupt local officials.

Fil-Chinese rally together against this criminal act and we even approach the Chinese (PRC at that time the ROC have already lost their status) Embassy for help but was informed that there is nothing they can do except to issue a public opinion regarding what is happening. And the reason was because the PRC do not recognized the rights of overseas Chinese even though many of them are still "Chinese citizens". We were basically left on our own sad.gif

The Philippine government finally took some serious action after they received reports that Fil-Chinese were planning to start arming themselves (not with martial weapons but with firearms) and create a self defense police force. The Philippine government then created the PACC (Philippine Anti Crime Commission) and the Fil-Chinese were "encourage" to throw all their support to this agency.

Now, thatI am not in the country for more than 10 years what I have seen from my nieces and nephews is that 85% of racial attacks towards Fil-Chinese have disappeared. Things are a lot better now as far as social life is concern but not in security.

IMO, new generation of Fil-Chinese are slowly loosing their identity and integrity of our forefathers.


ah.....another similar story of a typical SEA chinese
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