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Posted 23 March 2006 - 12:56 AM

What were some of the political, economic, social, religious, and cultural developments between the two? What were the differences?

For example the geographical extent of the two empires
the government bureaucracy such as its complexity and how each dynasty recruited its officals
who consituted the elite in each dynasty, how each dynasty dealt with its foreign neighbors
the two dynasties different knowledge and reception of foreign peoples,cultures, and ideas
the differences in Confucianism inthe Han and Tang.

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Posted 24 March 2006 - 12:15 AM

What were some of the political, economic, social, religious, and cultural developments between the two? What were the differences?


1. Han was dominated by Confucianism. Tang was greatly influenced by daoism and buddhism

2. Both faces foreign threats from the north. For Han, there were Xiongnu. For Tang, there were Turks

3. Imperial examination started off during Tang dynasty.

4. Tang had greater influence across Asia, in particular East Asia and central asia.
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Posted 24 March 2006 - 01:49 AM

Han is established by peasant born Liu Bang as opposed to Tang by a renowned aristoracy family, The Li.

Tang reached the Golden age of Chinese civilisation.

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Edited by ZhengChenggong, 24 March 2006 - 01:53 AM.


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Posted 26 March 2006 - 10:18 PM

Han is established by peasant born Liu Bang as opposed to Tang by a renowned aristoracy family, The Li.

Tang reached the Golden age of Chinese civilisation.

Cheers.


Don't have much source from the Dynasty Tang then just "Wu Ze Tian" and "Journey to the West"
Recommended any other source or books ?
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Posted 26 March 2006 - 10:28 PM

Early Tang poets always leave marks in their works that how they worship the glory of ancient Han. Well, like those war-athem poems出塞诗。In fact, Tang achieved much more influence than Han, and more military successful than the former. We can only see those emotion as a kind of typical cultural characteristic of chinese, that chinese like to raise the ancients higher which doesn't mean chinese really think so.
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Posted 27 March 2006 - 03:05 AM

One major difference between Han and Tang is Tang's civil service examination for selecting their officials.
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Posted 27 March 2006 - 12:35 PM

Since I grew up in America, drawing comparisons to western history works for me

Han->Greeks "we established western civilization! (well, after the Middle East)"
Tang->Romans "we like the greek philosophers!"

as a very looose, loose, loooooose comparison.
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Posted 27 March 2006 - 10:59 PM

In term of territorial boundaries, which empire is larger? I always have this impression that the Tang Empire is larger. Were their expansion as far west to modern day Afghanistan?
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Posted 28 March 2006 - 08:51 PM

Since I grew up in America, drawing comparisons to western history works for me

Han->Greeks "we established western civilization! (well, after the Middle East)"
Tang->Romans "we like the greek philosophers!"

as a very looose, loose, loooooose comparison.



As a rough comparison, Han dynasty is often compared to the Roman empire. The two empires were similar in geographic size, population, expansion, made great contributions to cultural and technological development, and they existed roughly around the same time. It was clearly Pax Romana in the West and Pax Sinica in the East during that time. In fact, a few historians have done some interesting comparative analysis between Han and Rome.

Greeks would be more comparable to Eastern Zhou period. It was one of the richest periods for technological and intellectual developments including many different philosophies and classical principles "Hundred Schools of Thoughts" related to government, diplomacy, military and culture. Just as Greece philosophy influenced Western civilization, Chinese philosophy out of this period had a permanent impact on many East Asian cultures lasting to the present day.

As for the Tang dynasty, it is often considered the golden age. Its territories or influences surpassed that of the Han, and in ways rivaled that of the later Yuan and Qing dynasties. It was a period of relative diversity, openness, tolerance, trade and cosmopolitan. At its peak, itís arguable that the Tang's influence was seldom matched before or afterwards in Chinese history. From politics, economics, military, technology to culture, Tang was a comprehensive power unmatched at its peak. If youíve to compare to a Western power, a very rough comparison might be the USís position as a comprehensive superpower. Itís a rough relative comparison.

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Posted 30 March 2006 - 01:06 AM

This question is too broad, which aspect do you want to compare, their political structure? Government organization? Territorial extent? Clothing? Economic structure? Military structure?
The list is endless. I'll be brief since I don't have the time for everything.
I'm only going to cover the political structure since this field seem to be generally neglected in many English sources I've came across.

The major difference in political structure is that the Han is based off of the Jun Xian Zhi, or jun guo zhi. It has 9 feudal territories ruled by the Liu family, and a few others ruled by other families. The Liu feudal lands were that of Yan, Zhao, Chu, Wu, Huai Nan, Huai Yang, Dai, Liang, and Qi. It has 54 Jun, the largest administrative unit at the time. In the beggining of Han the emperor only ruled 15 Jun while the Liu feudal kings ruled over 39 of them. Feudal lords are virtually another kingdom with their own armies, bureucracy and kings. However after the rebellion of the 7 kings, the feudal territory are reduced to at most one jun per kingdom. their kings no longer hold political power or the army, instead the bureucracy became supervised by the Wang Xiang appointed by the central government, the military was under the supervision of the Guo Wei also appointed by the central government, the only power the feudal kings still have is the ability to tax its subjects. The governor of a Jun is called a Tai Shou, while the military head of the jun is called the Jun Wei. During the Eastern Han, the Tai shou became a subordinate to the Ci Shi. During the Sui and Tang the Jun is replaced by the Zhou, and there are 13 of them. These units are larger than the Jun and are ruled by a Ci Shi. Tang feudal lords have no power at all, they cannot even tax their subjects and receive their payment directly from the central government by their rank.

Edited by warhead, 07 May 2006 - 11:17 PM.





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