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#1 Guest_Jane_*

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Posted 15 November 2004 - 08:29 AM

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Sadly, another candle light burnt out a few days ago, the much talented Chinese American historian writer Iris Chang, at her flowering age of 36.

It’s hard to imagine what pain and emotional turbulence she went through with her research and work she did for writing her book “The Rape of Nanjing – the Forgotten Holocaust of World War II ”, considering herself being human, for a history that atrocities were committed the most cold-bloodedly and that man’s inhumanities to man topped the most sinful chapter of mankind’s history, at the call of the unrestting spirits of some 350,000 who were slaughtered in an eight-week period women and children included, with a mission to remind the billions of living today who unfortunately do not seem to have a good memory, for a goal to change the situation of the Japanese society’s collective denial about their crimes and sins over the past 60 years, at the risk of her own safety being threatened by some Right-Wing personnels in Japan.

Now, at the time when Iris Chang’s body is still reserved fresh for the many of her beloved family, friends and admirers to pay final tribute to, my heart still finds much difficulty to rest.

No doubt, there’s still too much for a young brilliant talent like her to contribute to her family, friends and society if she had lived on. However, IF, IF Iris Chang’s name and work can at least cause one ripple in one’s heart, her short-lived life is but given some extra meaning. In a note she wrote to her family, such was her words: “I have lived my life and sincerely dedicated it to my family, my goals and my writing.”

We thus believe, a candle light has shone for a dark night, and burnt out for the the imminent arrival of dawn.

Forever condemned the crimes and criminals in History! Long Live in the hearts of millions the immortal Iris Chang!


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Candle in the Wind


Goodbye our rose;
may you ever grow in our hearts.
You were the grace that placed itself
where lives were torn apart.
You called out to our country,
and you whispered to those in pain.
Now you belong to heaven,
and the stars spell out your name.

And it seems to me you lived your life
like a candle in the wind:
never fading with the sunset
when the rain set in.
And your footsteps will always fall here,
along the Earth's greenest hills;
your candle's burned out long before
your legend ever will.

Loveliness we've lost;
these empty days without your smile.
This torch we'll always carry
for our nation's golden child.
And even though we try,
the truth brings us to tears;
all our words cannot express
the joy you brought us through the years.

Goodbye our rose,
from a country lost without your soul,
who'll miss the wings of your compassion
more than you'll ever know.

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风中蜡烛


別 了 我 们 的 玫 瑰 ;
如 你 曾 在 我 們 心 中 滋 長 .
你 以 天 使 之 姿
來 到 人 性 扭 曲 的 地 方 .
你 喚 醒 祖 國 ,
回 應 受 苦 者 的 呼 號 .
此 刻 你 復 歸 天 國 ,
讓 滿 天 星 斗 把 你 輕 喚 .

我 知 道 你 的 人 生
仿 如 迄 立 風 中 之 燭 :
雨 水 把 你 撲 熄
但 不 會 如 日 落 褪 色 .
你 的 足 跡 深 植 ,
印 在 地 球 最 青 蔥 的山 頭 ;
你 的 蠟 燭 早 已 熄 滅
你 的 傳 奇 永 存 不 息 .

永 失 我 愛 ;
空 虛 日 子 沒 有 你 的 笑 容 .
這 支 火 炬 常 帶 在 身 旁
傳 給 祖 國 的 未 來 希 望 .
不 管 如 何 嘗 試 ,
事 實 教 人 無 法 淚 止 ;
縱 有 千 言 萬 試
事 實 教 人 無 法 淚 止 .

別 了 我 们 的 玫 瑰 ,
你 別 了 祖 國 靈 魂 依 舊 在 ,
懷 念 那 悲 天 憫 人 之 心
比 你 想 像 的 更 甚 .

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Related newsreports and websites of Iris Chang (张纯如)

http://www.sfgate.co...MNGB59PKL01.DTL

http://www.irischang.net/biography.cfm

http://www.amazon.co...272710?v=glance

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Posted 15 November 2004 - 10:45 AM

Hmm, yes, her death is a loss to the Chinese. She was probably one of the few writers on the topic of Japanese war crimes.

I think a lot of people have already forgotten (or to be more correct, they haven't even heard of) the atrocities. Or maybe they know too little of it. I think it's shameful for a Chinese to forget what happened during the war. How could they? Actually, now that Iris Chang has passed away, I hope that her books gain more attention from the masses and it will be read more widely throughout the world to remind thousands of people about this blurred-out part of history.

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Posted 15 November 2004 - 07:47 PM

Forgiveness is good, but there are some things that should never be forgotten. There are some things that must, generation after generation, have the power to evoke a sense of horror in the people who hear its name. "The Holocaust" is one - whenever someone evokes that image, people recoil - which is the proper response. Humanity will always come up with other reasons for genocide, and if we forget the horror that were genocides, it will be repeated again. The "Nanjing Massacre" should join that list.

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Posted 17 November 2004 - 09:08 PM

i agree with all of you...
iris chang was a hero for the chinese......she expressed and voiced for the whole of the chinese and we shoudl all respect her for all she's done for her own country......

we will miss her..... we should all support her and not forget the rape of nanjing

we as chinese should pass it word to word to our friends and families, our own children in the future....

we should never forget this !
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Posted 06 March 2005 - 07:42 PM

i would not buy any product from Japan now.
forget means betray!

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Posted 06 March 2005 - 08:23 PM

Iris Chang.... another life murdered by Japanese war crimes! :ranting:

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Posted 05 May 2005 - 06:09 PM

I do not know of Iris Chang or the "Rape of Nanjing", being a Westerner these things aren't open for all media to speak upon, but after reading those articles I can truly say I was touched by her devotion on not letting the populace forget about the horrible war crimes. It truly is a sad thing when such people die so young...
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It is as a fiery dragon descending from the highest heaven.

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Posted 08 May 2005 - 02:49 AM

I do not know of Iris Chang or the "Rape of Nanjing", being a Westerner these things aren't open for all media to speak upon, but after reading those articles I can truly say I was touched by her devotion on not letting the populace forget about the horrible war crimes.  It truly is a sad thing when such people die so young...

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http://www.amazon.co...=books&n=507846
It's probably also available at your local library.

How much are Chinese students taught about the jewish holocaust?

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Posted 08 May 2005 - 10:34 AM

http://www.amazon.co...=books&n=507846
It's probably also available at your local library.

How much are Chinese students taught about the jewish holocaust?

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It's in HK's world history curriculum, but how much the students care is very doubtful.

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Posted 08 May 2005 - 05:25 PM

I do not know of Iris Chang or the "Rape of Nanjing", being a Westerner these things aren't open for all media to speak upon, but after reading those articles I can truly say I was touched by her devotion on not letting the populace forget about the horrible war crimes.  It truly is a sad thing when such people die so young...

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That is quite incorrect, it is well known to anyone who looks at the actions of the Japanese that preceded their broader war, to any student of history or casual reader of the period.
It is one fairly well known incident of Japanese atrocity in the West, along with others that are listed if anyone cares to look as human vivisection & inhumane research in Manchuria (for which Japanese were pardoned in a cynical move by the Americans atthe end of the war), the incident of cannibilsm by Japanese at the end of the war on Allied POW...and of course the forced labour and dreadful conditions of the prison camps of the Japanese. Images of starving prisoners works to death and descriptions of the rotting corpses and the dying are well enough know feature of Japanese conduct to Westerners too.
The Japanese sure have a problem, and you are not expected to forgive somebody who doesnt admit guilt or acknowlege a wrong even occured. It might be easier to forgive if it was asked for but the Japanese have never come to terms with their conduct.
Westerners are awareenough of the sidestepping and language used intheir text books, and even firends of mine who visited museums in Japan commented on their lack of expression of their inavasions and expansion into the 'Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere'.

In the West the incident is also known of as 'The Rape of Nanking' so we certainly acknowledge the beastial behaviour of the Japanese.
A very good book on Japanese conduct is 'Knights of Bushido' by Lord Russell of Liverpool...and it has pictures of sick Japanese bayonetting Chinese who are tied up and defenseles on the bottom of a pit, while Japanese soldiers stand around and watch in the classic Nazi stlye. Sick gutless ******.
We are well enough aware of what they did, if not the scale in China for the average person, becuase the Japanese treated everyone with arrogance. WW2 veterans here talked about seeign comrades staked out for butchering and evidence the meat was drying for eating, and that group of NZ spared no japanese on the island they came accross and some old folk still dont like japanese's.
One veteran I spoke to was in the Pacific when the bomb was dropped and said that was as close to Japan as he ever wants to get. They would have liked to have seen the Emperor strung up by his neck for what was done in his name.
We know all this if you look alittle harder, the West is aware, it is the Japanese that aren't.
I have some very good Japanese friends and they are polite to a fault, so hospitable, but when me & my Chinese wife share a meal with them and get along so well I cant help but think ''thank God your nation lost the war, or else none of us would be face to face right now''.
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Posted 08 May 2005 - 05:46 PM

Is people not knowing or not caring about Japanese war crime something in the US only? (please delete this if it's offensive...)

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Posted 08 May 2005 - 05:52 PM

Is people not knowing or not caring about Japanese war crime something in the US only?  (please delete this if it's offensive...)

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We are very much aware of the attrocities here..at least in California.

We have a large Asian population, so we do study events like this.
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Posted 08 May 2005 - 05:56 PM

Not here though.
In a textbook, you'll find like 3 paragraphs on the pacific war. Nothing about Japanese Atrocities. I at least thought we'd be able to research the Holocaust and nit 731 side by side. Guess not though.
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Posted 08 May 2005 - 08:40 PM

Well, I can see all WWII textbooks, documentaries, TV programs on the war in Europe and Pacific, and maybe Africa, but nothing on China/mainland east Asia. I mean, man, the War in the east was bloodlier than those combined (OK I'm exaggerating).

In Canada, war veterans have a big say. People respect them a lot. And there are a number of them still around today that lived through the horror of Japanese POW camps, including some from the battle of Hong Kong. At least people in their generation do know and will voice out, but when they pass away, well...... :unsure:

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Posted 08 May 2005 - 10:12 PM

Well, at my school, the teacher actually gave a lecture on the Rape of Nanjing, but had failed to mention other atrocities committed in Asia.

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