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Poll: Which do you consider to be the most Decisive Battle or Campaign? (37 member(s) have cast votes)

Which do you consider to be the most Decisive Battle or Campaign?

  1. Sun Ce's conquest of Jiangdong, 196 AD (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  2. Huainan (Cao Cao defeats Yuan Shu), 197 AD (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  3. Xiapi (Cao Cao defeats Lu Bu), 198 AD (1 votes [2.70%])

    Percentage of vote: 2.70%

  4. Guandu, 200-201 AD (13 votes [35.14%])

    Percentage of vote: 35.14%

  5. Chibi, 208 AD (13 votes [35.14%])

    Percentage of vote: 35.14%

  6. Liu Bei's invasion of Sichuan, 211-214 AD (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  7. Wu invasion of Jingzhou, 219 AD (2 votes [5.41%])

    Percentage of vote: 5.41%

  8. Xiaoting/Yiling (Liu Bei's failed invasion of Wu), 221-222 AD (5 votes [13.51%])

    Percentage of vote: 13.51%

  9. Zhuge Liang's suppression of the Yunnan rebellions, 225 AD (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  10. Zhuge Liang's northern expeditions, 227- 234 AD (3 votes [8.11%])

    Percentage of vote: 8.11%

  11. Deng Ai's invasion of Sichuan, 263 AD (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  12. Jin invasion of Wu, 280 AD (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

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#16 snowybeagle

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Posted 20 December 2004 - 10:15 PM

It's hard to pinpoint to a single battle.

I'll just list those I think turned the course of history.

01. The failed siege of Luo Yang. This was the real beginning of the Fragmentation.

02. Guan Du. This put the top favourite Yuan Shao out of the running and secured Cao Cao as the rising contender.

03. Chi Bi. Marked the end of Cao Cao's expansion southwards.

04. The failed siege of Xiang Yang by Guan Yu. An audacious attack by Guan Yu which would have changed history if it had succeeded.

#17 MichaelCHang

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Posted 21 December 2004 - 05:14 AM

Guandu was indeed a very brilliant battle. It was said that Cao Cao 's smaller army of 70,000 defeated 700,000 troops by Yuan Shao

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No, that's not true according to true history.
Maybe that's true according to Sanguo Yanyi (the Romance of the 3 Kingdoms).

According to Sanguo Zhi (the formal history of 3 Kingdom period), it's about 3,000 vs 10,000. But it was still a brilliant and desisive battle.
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Posted 22 January 2005 - 02:35 AM

i voted for Guandu. the reason is apparent, without guandu there will be no chibi thus securing cao cao in the north. Another point which i have in mind is that cao cao show his prowess during Battle of Guandu. He collected arrows from Mr Yuan beating him at his own game.

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Posted 22 January 2005 - 11:40 AM

There still would have been a Chi Bi or a simular Chi Bi. Yuan Shao was also ambitious and if he defeated Cao Cao and took his lands. He too would have laid his eyes on the south.

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Posted 31 January 2005 - 02:34 AM

There still would have been a Chi Bi or a simular Chi Bi. Yuan Shao was also ambitious and if he defeated Cao Cao and took his lands. He too would have laid his eyes on the south.

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(below is just my comments)

i don think that yuan shao will be able to defeat cao cao. because cao cao is more of a capable man than yuan shao. cao cao too has more talents on his side. eg Guo Jia). yuan shao was an indecisive man. i remember when cao cao was with yuan shao, he advice yuan shao to invade a particular place. ( i forgot where is the name of the place) yuan shao because of some personal reasons ( i don remember what were the reasons) reject his idea and cao cao was very dissapointed. Even if yuan shao was able to defeat cao cao, his resources will drained out. he need a long time to recupurate. The sun family from the south will seize opportunity and invade yuan shao. Sun ce was also an ambitious man.

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#21 ShuHan

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Posted 31 January 2005 - 12:20 PM

I pick Chibi battle is because zhuge liang and zhou yu great strategy against the Cao Cao's force. In Chibi a lots of Cao Cao's forces died during this battle. It was the critical battle for the survive of Liu Bei and the forming of Shu-Han, also the Wu kingdoms faith lie on this battle Chibi.
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#22 Zhou Yu

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Posted 17 February 2005 - 08:52 PM

I chose ChiBi because it was very risky for Wu but they pulled through with the Huang Gai defection strategy but overall i just found it most interesting of all of the battles.
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#23 babyblue

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Posted 05 March 2005 - 08:43 AM

i voted for guandu, and that's before i read any of the posts.

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Posted 08 March 2005 - 11:00 PM

I am intrested in chi bi, but in the grand scheme of things Guan Du was more important. Although Chi Bi was a great victory, Wei ultimatly took over both Wu,and Shu.

#25 jiangji

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Posted 09 March 2005 - 12:17 PM

I would have to say Battle of chibi. This battle changes everything and results in the formation of three kingdoms. You guys should also know that even with the loss of jingzhou to Wu, shu still has a chance against wei until Liu bei and his son, Liu chan screw up everything. Do remember, Han (liu bang) and Qin kingdom was from around the area of shu. Han manage to conquer a much powerful chu. Qing which comes from the north also manages to end the Ming dynasty with little resistance.

For battle of Guandu, it is very predictable that Cao cao would win. Gua jia tell cao cao before the battle even began that Yuan shao will never beat him. Yuan shao arrogant and refuses listen to his officer advice causes his downfall just like xiang yu.
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#26 Zhuge Kongming

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Posted 20 May 2005 - 05:10 AM

i would say its chibi... although guan du is also quite exciting...
Most of my friends who read little or no three kingdoms history heard before the battle of chibi at the south of yangtze river...




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