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#1 Liu

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Posted 20 June 2007 - 01:03 PM

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A Mandarin was a bureaucrat in imperial China, and also in Feudal Vietnam where the system of Imperial examinations and scholar-bureaucrats was adopted under Chinese influence.

Who were the Mandarins ?
How a man became a Mandarin?
What about their origins ?
What did their clothes mean ? What is this object that they keep in their hand ?
Any info is welcome. Thanks.

Below some vietnamese pictures of mandarin :

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问世间情为何物,直叫生死相许?

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Posted 21 June 2007 - 04:43 AM

Who were the Mandarins ?
How a man became a Mandarin?
What about their origins ?
What did their clothes mean ? What is this object that they keep in their hand ?
Any info is welcome. Thanks.

You meant in Vietnam or in China?
Human is evil by nature - Xun Zi

Therefor, its existence is a crime, and the punishment is death - thirdgumi

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Posted 21 June 2007 - 06:23 AM

You meant in Vietnam or in China?

Both... is there a difference ?
问世间情为何物,直叫生死相许?

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Posted 21 June 2007 - 10:14 AM

Both... is there a difference ?

I don't know, I know nothing about history of Vietnam.
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#5 grean-Dan

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Posted 11 July 2007 - 09:42 AM

(I had a look in the search engine, and couldn't find the information I am looking for. If it already exists in the CHF, please forgive me and Mods, please delete the thread)

A Mandarin was a bureaucrat in imperial China, and also in Feudal Vietnam where the system of Imperial examinations and scholar-bureaucrats was adopted under Chinese influence.

Who were the Mandarins ?
How a man became a Mandarin?
What about their origins ?
What did their clothes mean ? What is this object that they keep in their hand ?
Any info is welcome. Thanks.

Below some vietnamese pictures of mandarin :

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For me, they don't look all the same people. Among them 3 or 4 don't look like Vitenamese and also the 3 are wearing different style of clothes from the rest who much look like Vitenamese.
Are they all Vietnamese?
The pictures seem to be taken in 19C~early 20C. Where have you got them?

As far as I know, Madrian is the term to indicate any Manchurian regardless of their status, but i may be wrong.

I have put these pictures on Korean site to ask if there is anyone who knows about these kind of people, and when I have any informative answer i will be back.




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