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#1 DaMo

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Posted 04 December 2007 - 04:42 AM

http://www.qultures....5072007345.aspx

This is a reconstruction of the face of a European Hun. I saw a reconstruction of another one on the History Channel, found in Hungary and without cranial distortion. She too looked otherwise similar. I would have expected weaker Mongoloid features, given that the European Huns would have interbred a little with the locals.

Intermediate pictures at this gallery: http://www.hunnen.sp...ausstellung.htm

Quite interesting. I believe some Amerindians also used to distort the crania of their infants.
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Posted 04 December 2007 - 04:59 AM

http://www.qultures....5072007345.aspx

This is a reconstruction of the face of a European Hun. I saw a reconstruction of another one on the History Channel, found in Hungary and without cranial distortion. She too looked otherwise similar. I would have expected weaker Mongoloid features, given that the European Huns would have interbred a little with the locals.

Intermediate pictures at this gallery: http://www.hunnen.sp...ausstellung.htm

Quite interesting. I believe some Amerindians also used to distort the crania of their infants.


Nice post, so does this mean that the Huns were for sure an Asian people? Or at least genetically predominantly Asian, judging by that reconstruction. I had always thought it was something historians were not 100% sure about. Also what about links to the Xiognu?

Also your right about the Amerindians distorting the crania of the infant. I recall the Maya practiced head flattening, and the Egyptians too. They would flattened the skulls of infants at young age using two boards tied together to get that type of elongated head shape you see in the Hun woman reconstruction.

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Posted 04 December 2007 - 04:11 PM

Hmm, Oriental is more of a cultural than a bio-racial classification. As in Oriental despotism, Oriental decadence, etc. But that can depend on the usage.
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Posted 04 December 2007 - 06:42 PM

MS world contestants. ( none really look hunnish )

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S.Korean actress @ the recent award show event ( looks more hunnish ? )

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This recreated lady's head shape is over exaggerated. ( photo below: dec. length by 10%, inc. width by 10% )

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Edited by heosuabi, 04 December 2007 - 06:49 PM.


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Posted 04 December 2007 - 06:51 PM

Maybe more Mongolian ;)
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Posted 04 December 2007 - 07:25 PM

The head shape is like that because of the head flattening custom practiced by the Huns.

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Posted 04 December 2007 - 09:10 PM

She looked like one of my friend from Taiwan.

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Posted 05 December 2007 - 12:12 AM

Just as a reference, this is what the Roman historian Ammianus Marcellinus (Res Gestae 31.2) had to say about the Hunnic males who were encountered by the Romans during the last quarter of the 4th century A.D.:

"From the moment of birth they make deep gashes in their children's cheeks, so that when in due course hair appears its growth is checked by the wrinkled scars; as they grow older this gives them the unlovely appearance of beardless eunuchs. They have squat bodies, strong limbs, and thick necks, and are so prodigiously ugly and bent that they might be two-legged animals... Still, their shape, however disagreeable, is human."

So far as I know there is no literary/historical description of what a "typical" (if such a thing existed) female Hunnic person looked like.

What we call the Huns represented a confederation of many different groups so I think it would be exceedingly difficult if not downright imprudent to extrapolate from just one or two extant/reconstructed examples to make categorical statements about the whole.
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Posted 05 December 2007 - 12:16 AM

She looks like an alien. Look at that head :icon15: :icon15: :frantic: :frantic: Scary stuff.
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Posted 05 December 2007 - 12:33 AM

That's pretty interesting fact about the head flattening and other facial modifications. Is there any particular reason, maybe religious?

I've been reading a lot of stuff online about the Central Asians, some quite controversial and some quite interesting. Like I've read how many claim to be descended from people living in areas around the Altay mountains, so originally they all would have had that Northern Paleo-Asian, Siberian, Mongolian look (I guess I don't know the exact terms) , the common grey wolf legend they have and several other things, some that may be true or just fable or propaganda for something else. I wouldn't know without further investigating it.
Very diverse looking group though I'm not surprise because of their history.

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Posted 05 December 2007 - 02:30 AM

This recreated lady's head shape is over exaggerated. ( photo below: dec. length by 10%, inc. width by 10% )

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What in the world do Koreans do with Huns...?

The picture is not exaggerated. Huns did flattened (or binding in turban?) the skulls of their children so they would have long skulls because long skulls were considered to be beautiful by the Huns, just like foot-binding considering to be beautiful by Tang.

Interesting, I looked up, Huns also cut their children's cheeks to teach them the endurance of pain. It also prevent beard growth, Huns didn't consider beard beautiful! [source]

No wonder Romans were afraid of them. :charge:

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Posted 09 December 2007 - 10:44 PM

I've never heard about Huns, flattening their heads in order to achieve the elongated skull look, any credible sources? The Sarmatians, a branch of Synthians on the other hand, were known to to just that.

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Posted 10 December 2007 - 05:08 AM

I've never heard about Huns, flattening their heads in order to achieve the elongated skull look, any credible sources? The Sarmatians, a branch of Synthians on the other hand, were known to to just that.


I forgot the name, but an American textbook on nomads (that included the Huns, Mongols, etc) showed elongated skulls that belonged to the Huns.

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Posted 10 December 2007 - 12:32 PM

What in the world do Koreans do with Huns...?

The picture is not exaggerated. Huns did flattened (or binding in turban?) the skulls of their children so they would have long skulls because long skulls were considered to be beautiful by the Huns, just like foot-binding considering to be beautiful by Tang.

Interesting, I looked up, Huns also cut their children's cheeks to teach them the endurance of pain. It also prevent beard growth, Huns didn't consider beard beautiful! [source]

No wonder Romans were afraid of them. :charge:




i don't thrust that source. Huns didn't worship a sun God it was the sky God and also alot of other info that isn't correct.



The European Huns don't represent the Xiongnu it was just a small Tribe of the huge confederation




Every ancient skull reconstruction has a gigantic 4head for some reason
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Posted 10 December 2007 - 01:36 PM

I am only aware of ancient Egyptian royalty had this tradition.



Egyptian's didn't flatten the skull at the forehead; it was fashionable to elongate the back of the head during the Heresy: http://www.vazyvite....naton/ak772.jpg

I know the Mayan's practiced bod-mod: http://www.mayankids...le/mkbeauty.htm
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