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#1 galvatron prime

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Posted 10 January 2008 - 11:26 AM

Mongols reached America before the Europeans, Mongolian scholar claims :)

http://news.xinhuane...ent_7401721.htm
ULAN BATOR, Jan. 10 (Xinhua) -- Challenging the long-held notion that it was the Europeans who were the first non-native visitors to the Americas, a Mongolian professor of history has claimed that the Mongols reached the American continent first.

"About 8,000 to 25,000 years ago, Mongols with stone tools crossed the Aleutian Islands and arrived in America first," Sumiya Jambaldorj, a history professor from Chingis Khaan University, said Thursday.

Jambaldorj's claim is based on his study of place names in America and their similarity to names in the Mongolian language.

"More than 20 place names of the Aleutian Islands belong to the Mongolian language, five of which are still used in modern Mongolian, such as 'Ataka' and 'Ushka', " Jambaldorj said.

"'Ataka' and 'Ushka' mean 'small place' in Mongolian," he added. :g:

"Many names of places and rivers in the U.S. state of Alaska are believed to be Mongolian," the professor said.

An American Indian language also contains some Mongolian words, such as "hagaan," which also means ancestor, or 'khan' in Mongolian.

"I think both the ancestors of the Mongolian and the Indian peoples share something," ;) Jambaldorj said.

Stone tools found in the Aleutian Islands have only previously been found in the Gobi desert area of Mongolia, he added. B)

Edited by galvatron, 10 January 2008 - 11:27 AM.


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Posted 10 January 2008 - 11:46 AM

Its definitely plausible that Mongolians had arrived in America, and also plausible that Natives of Amercas were decendents of Mongolians.

If Mongols had explored the Americas at the height of the Mongol Empire (late 13th century) that would still predate Columbus's voyage by newly 200 years. I wonder if there were any records of such event occurring at the time.

But I think one would have to provide more proof of such besides just place names and a few similar words between Mongolian and native Am. language.
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Posted 10 January 2008 - 12:11 PM

The present day Mongolian language is likely to be a member of the larger Altaic family.
While the number of coincidences in names is not sufficient to determine common origin, the more significant issue is the Mongols themselves did not emerge as a distinct group by that name until much later.

"About 8,000 to 25,000 years ago, Mongols with stone tools crossed the Aleutian Islands and arrived in America first," Sumiya Jambaldorj, a history professor from Chingis Khaan University, said Thursday.

This is akin to giving credit to British people for what Celtic people did in the distant past before there was even "British people".

There is a strong possibility of common ancestry between Mongols and early human migrants to America.
But Mongols is just one of myriads descendants of the common ancestry, alongside with other Altaic people (if the Altaic theory is correct). Hence, even Kalmyks of Eastern Europe can also it was the Kalmyks who migrated to America and left the names of places there.

The claim quoted by the history professor is just frivolous.

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Posted 10 January 2008 - 12:58 PM

Mongols reached America before the Europeans, Mongolian scholar claims :)

http://news.xinhuane...ent_7401721.htm
ULAN BATOR, Jan. 10 (Xinhua) -- Challenging the long-held notion that it was the Europeans who were the first non-native visitors to the Americas, a Mongolian professor of history has claimed that the Mongols reached the American continent first.

"About 8,000 to 25,000 years ago, Mongols with stone tools crossed the Aleutian Islands and arrived in America first," Sumiya Jambaldorj, a history professor from Chingis Khaan University, said Thursday.


1. :clapping: about 8,000 to 25,000 years ago, it can be anything- monkeys or dinosaurs that crossed Aleutian Islands and arrived in America first. Or native Americans crossed and arrived Siberia.
2. Sumiya Jambaldorj, a history professor from Chingis Khaan University? He must be teacher of some private school. There is no national or state university or educational organisation named after Chinggis Khaan.

What is interesting is the linguistic study

Edited by Zorigo, 10 January 2008 - 02:10 PM.


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Posted 10 January 2008 - 02:58 PM

People often take it for granted that it was Asians, and only Asians, who arrived to America during prehistoric times. Is this truly the case?

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Posted 10 January 2008 - 06:13 PM

I agree that it is absurd to claim that people who may have crossed the Aleutian Straits 800 to 25000 years ago were Mongolians, as Mongolians did not exist as a clear group at that time.

It is a bit like the claims we get in Australia by some present day Aborigines that people whose remains date back 20,000 or 40,000 years ago in the same area are their ancestors. This is of course preposterous, since there were several waves of pre-historic migration to Australia, each wave displacing or replacing the people who were there before.

One of the problems is that American Indian gorups and Australian Aborigines are resisting attempts to conduct DNA investigation of skeletal and other remains. Consider the case of Kennewick man, for example. I believe this is in part to prevent any detailed scrutiny of claims of descent from these pre-historic people. DNA is the great leveller.

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Posted 11 January 2008 - 02:28 AM

Land bridge during the last Ice Age
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Eskimo-Aleut speakers are found in the northern most coastal area in Alaska and Canada.
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Posted 11 January 2008 - 11:26 AM

1. about 8,000 to 25,000 years ago, it can be anything- monkeys or dinosaurs that crossed Aleutian Islands and arrived in America first. Or native Americans crossed and arrived Siberia.



Ehhh,.... what?
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Posted 11 January 2008 - 05:22 PM

Yes, that's true by racial classification. I don't think they could be called Mongols then.

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Posted 11 January 2008 - 07:36 PM

In other words...all this "discovery" is saying is that "The Asian Ancestors of Native Americans Discovered America". Nothing we didn't know before, except somehow this professor is trying to credit it to the Mongols.

I agree with Snowy. There were not "Mongols" 8000 years ago; the people who crossed over branched out before a Mongol classification was formed, and at best can be considered distant relatives. It smells like a cheap attempt to claim some ethnic or national achievement. Claiming that the Americas were a part of the Mongol empire is somewhat akin to the Germans claiming that Britain is a part of Germany. And think about it this way. The Saxons migrating to Britain happened thousands of years after people crossed Beringia. :P
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Posted 11 January 2008 - 11:55 PM

Didn't Zheng He discover the Americas before Columbus? and i think there were proof as well... So even if mongolians discover the americas before Europeans did or not, the chinese still discovered it before the Europeans.

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Posted 12 January 2008 - 12:11 AM

Didn't Zheng He discover the Americas before Columbus? and i think there were proof as well... So even if mongolians discover the americas before Europeans did or not, the chinese still discovered it before the Europeans.


No, that was Gavin Menzie's idea... The 1421 idea has no real proof and is rejected by the overwhelming majority of academics/historians both in the East and in the West.



Also, these aren't "Mongols" who reached America. This was before Mongolia or the East Asian group had settled. These are the "Asiatics" who crossed into North America, not Mongols.
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Posted 15 January 2008 - 07:50 AM

Interesting. Here is a line taken from wiki's Polynesian people article:

From a single chicken bone recovered from the archaeological site of El Arenal-1, on the Arauco Peninsula, Chile, recent research of a radiocarbon date and an ancient DNA sequence indicates that Polynesian navigators also reached the Americas at least 100 years before Europeans, introducing chickens to South America.


Chickens! I don't know what's more definitive proof though, chickens or place names...hmm, I'll go with Chickens.
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Posted 06 March 2008 - 07:43 PM

I don't think they have the navy to get to america
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Posted 08 March 2008 - 05:50 AM

I don't think they have the navy to get to america


Who, the Mongols? They made it to Java and Borneo.
The Polynesians? They colonized every island in the Pacific.
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