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Posted 10 January 2008 - 11:40 AM

Ancient Aryan civilization achieved incredible technological progress 40 centuries ago :)
http://www.redicecre...ientarakim.html
Scientists discovered mysterious circles on the area of the ancient Russian town of Arkaim, which is the same age with Egypt and Babylon


President Putin has recently visited one of the most mysterious places on planet Earth - the ruins of the ancient town of Arkaim, which is situated on the outskirts of the city of Chelyabinsk. Historians, archaeologists and ufologists have spent many years trying to unravel the secrets of the town. Which nation was living in Arkaim more than 40 centuries ago? How did people of such ancient civilization manage to accomplish incredible technological progress, which still seems to be unachievable nowadays? A group of Russian researchers, with Vadim Chernobrovy at the head, has recently returned from the mysterious region. The scientist said that specialists and students had built numerous tent camps around Arkaim.

The Arkaim valley in the south of Ural was supposed to be flooded in 1987: local authorities were going to create a water reservoir there to irrigate droughty fields. However, scientists found strange circles in the center of the valley: the authorities gave archaeologists 12 months to explore the area. Scientists were shocked to find out that Arkaim was the same age as Egypt and Babylon, and a little older than Troy and Rome.

Gennady Zdanovich, the chairman of the archaeological expedition in Ural had to prove the scientific significance of Arkaim to regional officials. "We achieved what seemed to be absolutely unreal: the multi-million construction project in the region was shut down," the scientist said.

Archaeological excavations showed that the people, who inhabited Arkaim, represented one of the most ancient Indo-European civilizations, particularly the branch, which is referred to as the Aryan culture. Arkaim turned out to be not only a town, but also a temple and an astronomic observatory.

"A flight above Arkaim on board a helicopter gives you an incredible impression. The huge concentric circles on the valley are clearly visible. The town and its outskirts are all enclosed in the circles. We still do not know, what point the gigantic circles have, whether they were made for defensive, scientific, educational, or ritual purposes. Some researchers say that the circles were actually used as the runway for an ancient spaceport," Vadim Chernobrovy said.

Researchers discovered that the ancient town was equipped with the storm sewage system, which helped Arkaim's residents avoid floods. The people were protected against fires as well: timbered floorings and houses themselves were imbued with fireproof substance. It was a rather strong compound, the remnants of which can still be found in the ruins of the town.

Each house was outfitted with "all modern conveniences," as they would say nowadays. There was a well, an oven and dome-like food storage in every house. The well was branching out into two underground trenches: one of them was directed to the oven and the other one ended in the food storage. The trenches were used to supply chilly air to the oven and to the food storage. The cool air from the trenches was also creating a very powerful traction force in the Aryan oven, which made it possible to smelt bronze there.

The central square in Arkaim was the only object of square shape in the town. Judging upon traces of bonfires that were placed in a specific order on the square, the place was used as a site for certain rituals.

Arkaim was built according to a previously projected plan as a single complicated complex, which also had an acute orientation on astronomic objects. While archaeologists are meticulously brushing dust off ancient stones trying to recreate the lifestyle of Arkaim's residents, ufologists study mysterious phenomena, which they register in the town: inexplicable fluctuations of voltage, magnetic field tension, temperatures and so on. B)

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Posted 10 January 2008 - 01:29 PM

A very exciting find, I cant wait to read more about it!

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Posted 10 January 2008 - 02:03 PM

Interesting find. I wonder what this fireproofing material is made of...?


Around the same time/a bit earlier:

Ancient Egyptians completed the Great Pyramids at Giza
Ancient Mesopotamians were expanding an empire
The proto-Dravidian civilization of Mohenjo-Daro had sprawling cities, sewage systems, and great public baths.

Edited by Intranetusa, 10 January 2008 - 02:04 PM.

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Posted 23 January 2008 - 04:52 PM

Those pseudo-archaeological spices do catch some people's fancy.

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Posted 23 January 2008 - 06:55 PM

Ancient Aryan civilization achieved incredible technological progress 40 centuries ago :)

What is Aryan civilization OR Aryans?
Is it just myth which can be used by likes of Hiitler.

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Posted 23 January 2008 - 10:28 PM

What is Aryan civilization OR Aryans?
Is it just myth which can be used by likes of Hiitler.


No . Hitler took an established name of a race and gave it a very bad rep. The Aryan race can be traced back to ancient India.

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Posted 23 January 2008 - 11:00 PM

No . Hitler took an established name of a race and gave it a very bad rep. The Aryan race can be traced back to ancient India.

The word Aryan becomes ambiguous now. It means differently in different mouths. I think the phrase "Aryan race" is already out-of-date; only laymen and some Nazi-ish people with blonde or Nordic fetish will use it. The so-called "Aryan race" refers a group of Indo-Iranian people migrated into Indian subcontinent in the third wave of Kurgan expansion. I would rather say this Arkaim relic is more likely linked to an Indo-European Urheimat culture than misinterpret this wheel-patterned plan as a possible black sun worship site.

Edited by 大泽升龙, 23 January 2008 - 11:23 PM.


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Posted 24 January 2008 - 12:30 AM

Yeah, I think Aryan should mean exclusively Proto-Indo-Iranics. Indo-Europeans are a superset of those,and this Arkhaim would probably be one of the early Indo-European cultures.
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Posted 06 June 2008 - 08:29 PM

The word Aryan becomes ambiguous now. It means differently in different mouths. I think the phrase "Aryan race" is already out-of-date; only laymen and some Nazi-ish people with blonde or Nordic fetish will use it. The so-called "Aryan race" refers a group of Indo-Iranian people migrated into Indian subcontinent in the third wave of Kurgan expansion. I would rather say this Arkaim relic is more likely linked to an Indo-European Urheimat culture than misinterpret this wheel-patterned plan as a possible black sun worship site.



What we do know is these Indo-Iranians eventually had related groups of "Iranic" peoples who lived throughout Central Asia, Northern India, all the way into Mesopotamia...in the Eastern part of that large area (including the Southern Russian steppe) they seemed to be the first people to domesticate the horse in large numbers and lead a nomadic life on horse, far before their was evidence of this in Eastern Asia (i.e. Mongolia). It might be from the "Aryans" that Mongols and Turks learned to use the horse, especially in militaristic ways. Ironically it was the Turks and later Mongols who displaced and intermixed with the Iranic people in most of these areas where they were once dominant and even further West. Still these people exist...as Iranians still exist, Northern Indians still exist (despite both groups being ruled by Turko-Mongols)...Afghanis, most of them speak a language that is in the Indo-Iranian family...but most of Central Asia is culturally Turkic today although intermixture with the original inhabitants is obvious.
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Posted 06 June 2008 - 08:34 PM

Yeah, I think Aryan should mean exclusively Proto-Indo-Iranics. Indo-Europeans are a superset of those,and this Arkhaim would probably be one of the early Indo-European cultures.


Actually the other way around.

Indo-Iranic languages are a subset of the larger Indo-European family.

http://en.wikipedia....opean_languages

There is still some debate about the homeland of IndoEuropeans if it was the Western Eurasian Steppe (Southern Russia or Ukraine...or if it was modern day Turkey (Anatolia).

I would bet it was the steppe lands, I would be it was the steppe between the Black Sea and the Caspian.

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Keep in mind the original Europeans (like the Basque) were not Indo-European speakers...but today they are the dominant language group in Europe by far, second largest would be the Finic and Hungarian speakers, which is obviously fairly recent from Asia. I would imagine that until the end of the last Ice Age...Indo Europeans did not live in Europe at all.

Edited by LongMa, 06 June 2008 - 08:37 PM.

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Posted 09 February 2009 - 02:09 AM

It isn't even funny.

>circles

>ufologist

>Aryan

These is the classical russian pseudoscience.

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Posted 09 February 2009 - 04:08 AM

First of all, anthropologists have known for decades that there is no pure physical stock for Indo-Europeans (a cultural and linguistic group), so the notion that an "Aryan" race exists at all is hogwash that is usually associated with late 19th century pseudoscience and contrived history. There is also no pure biological physical stock of "German" people, or "English" people, or "Italian" people either. It is culture and linguistics, people.

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