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#1 HaSY

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Posted 01 February 2005 - 08:21 AM

i would like to know if there is Chinese counterpart of ninja being used....to assasinate rivals,rebel leaders and others or sabotage military equipment?.....i also would like to know about chinese secret services aka CIA or for intelligence about the empire's situation
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Posted 01 February 2005 - 09:30 AM

I believe "ninjas" actually started in China then unfortunately Japan glorified it like so many other elements of Chinese culture... This is why most people around the world today link so many elements of culture that is originally Chinese with Japan.

Anyway, ninja in Chinese is 忍者 renzhe, or "a person who can endure".
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Posted 01 February 2005 - 10:22 AM

In the Shiji, there was already a chapter on the Ci'ke (Assassins) - people like Yu Rang and Jing Ke. They used deception rather than ninja-style infiltration to get to their victims.
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Posted 01 February 2005 - 11:11 AM

I think the Si Shi counts as the precursor of the Ninjas.
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Posted 01 February 2005 - 11:23 AM

Ric Meyers, a self-professed "Hong Kong film expert," claims that there was a Chinese precedent to the ninja called the "mo-sha," but I have been unable to find any support for this outside of his own claims.

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Posted 01 February 2005 - 01:25 PM

well, for one thing, the martial art that ninjitsu supposedly is is heavily borrowed from Shui Chao

even the term "ninja" is most likely derived from middle Chinese, for instance, ren zhe or ninja is pronounced yinja in Kejia (i'm a northern mandarin speaker but i asked a kejia friend of mine) and kejia is close to middle Chinese language

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Posted 01 February 2005 - 07:13 PM

the thing is, ninjas aren't a specific group or anything

it's a broad word

like "fighter" "warrior"
'wizard'
'priest'
blah blah

were there assassin/commando/spy types in China? Most definitely

I've heard, somewhere on some other forum somewhat, from very ambiguously unreliable sources, about something called the "forest demons" in China that were the first record of 'ninjas'
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Posted 03 February 2005 - 12:41 PM

the thing is, ninjas aren't a specific group or anything

it's a broad word

like "fighter" "warrior"
'wizard'
'priest'
blah blah

were there assassin/commando/spy types in China? Most definitely

I've heard, somewhere on some other forum somewhat, from very ambiguously unreliable sources, about something called the "forest demons" in China that were the first record of 'ninjas'

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well, you're making it overgeneralized, we're not talking about assassins in general, we're talking about NINJAS who even do have roots in China. the "ninjitsu" fighting style is derived from Chinese Shui Chao and the term "ninja" itself is derived from middle Chinese language

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Posted 03 February 2005 - 04:31 PM

Hasy's question was if there was a Chinese counterpart to the ninja, to do assassinations, espionage, commando work, etc.

assassins, spies, commandos. 'Ninja' can fall under those terms.

I feel that ninja is a nonspecific word when most people use it.
Now, I guess yours would be another question, where did ninja come from, and what are Ninja?
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Posted 29 April 2005 - 04:49 PM

i would like to know if there is Chinese counterpart of ninja being used....to assasinate rivals,rebel leaders and others or sabotage military equipment?.....i also would like to know about chinese secret services aka CIA or for intelligence about the empire's situation

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Confirmed what TMPikachu said.

Read in a Paladin Press book that the Chinese's equivalent to the Japanese ninja was a grp called Lin Gwai (aka Forest's Demons).
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Posted 30 April 2005 - 02:19 AM

ninjas had a huge impact on japan society how did they affect china?

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Posted 30 April 2005 - 08:19 AM

ninjas had a huge impact on japan society how did they affect china?

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What was the huge effect they had upon Japan? Like elements of Japanese culture (and others) they have been hijacked and inflated. If you ever get a chance to visit the alleged Iga-Ueno castle south of Nara (home to a Ninja museum), you'll see the ridiculous sight of female 'ninja' guides clad in pink garb - ooh, scary :ph43r: , who then perform something (while skilled) is probably more suited to a circus than an assassin's trade.
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Posted 26 June 2006 - 02:43 PM

Does anybody knows if this "forest demons" were some kind of clan or sect, like "white lotus" or something like that??? Is there any book about them???
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Posted 26 June 2006 - 03:14 PM

Hattori Hanzo's ancestors come from China, the Kingdom of Wu in the Spring and Autumn period. Intresting that his family become one of the master ninja family in jhapan

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Posted 26 June 2006 - 03:44 PM

It sounds interesting indeed, maybe his ancestors were members of one of this clans in China. I am sure that something has to be written about it.

Edited by oliverarodriguez, 26 June 2006 - 03:46 PM.

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