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#16 Fushida

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Posted 02 June 2004 - 04:50 PM

Mine would be Han Wen Di or Jing Di, China experienced prosperity during the reigns of these two emperors despite the continuing Xiong Nu threat.

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Posted 03 June 2004 - 09:16 AM

Mine would be Han Wen Di or Jing Di, China experienced prosperity during the reigns of these two emperors despite the continuing Xiong Nu threat.

It is to be noted that during the reign of Emperor Han Wen Di and Jin Di, Han dynasty entered an era of great prosperity, although the military threat from Xiong Nu still existed. The Han dynasty had to 'buy peace' through inter-marriage of chinese princess with XiongNu khans.
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Posted 03 June 2004 - 10:25 PM

I can't imagine you choose such a tyrant Zhu Yuan Zang..don't you know he kill so many people. For me, I go with Han Wudi.

Many people forget (or just overlook) the fact that Hongwu was very benevolent towards ordinary peasants. Because he remembered his humble origins and the harsh life of peasants, he alleviated many of the taxes and would fast when there were natural disasters in hopes of helping out the common man. Life of an ordinary peasant was pretty good under Hongwu. His reputation as a cruel autocrat was towards political figures, not ordinary people.

As for my favorite emperor... it would have to be a tie between Tang Taizong or Yongle.

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Posted 03 June 2004 - 11:43 PM

The Han dynasty had to 'buy peace' through inter-marriage of chinese princess with XiongNu khans.

Also tributes.
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Posted 05 June 2004 - 10:47 PM

It was during the reign of Emperor Wen and Emperor Jin of Han did the dynasty manage to rebuild in peace. While the dynasty was paying tribute to the Xiong Nu, the military and production was also steadily built up with trained and motivated troops and generals. Unlike the Song dynasty, the Han dynasty did not lose heart and did not see tribute payment as a permanent solution.

I would say that Emperor Wen of Han should be included within the top 20 emperors of China.
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Posted 06 June 2004 - 07:26 AM

Song also wanted to reconquer the northern lands, but some major defeats during early stage of the dynasty took their heart away, later on, the Song were too reluctant to take any aggressive position. On the contrary, during early stages of Han dynasty, the Han didn't suffer any significant defeats. Xiong Nu surrounded Liu Bang, but the Han forces didn't have significant loses; also the border skirmishes were not always victorious for Xiong Nu. So, I guess the Han had good reason to be confident and aggressive.
Of course, the problem with Song was their military system which sought to weaken their own military rather those of the enemies'. So, the Song didn't have anyone to blame except themselves.
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Posted 07 June 2004 - 12:28 PM

This is one case in which you can really blame the self centered Confucianist elites. The debate over Wang An Shi's reforms and the anti-reformists are still ongoing. I personally sympathize with the reformers but they're usually composed of opportunists who held no true spirit of the reformation. This goes on to show how deep the corruption of the Chinese soul was at that point. Song did win a few battles, and when Kou Zhun forced Emperor Zheng of Song to lead the relief armies himself, the Song army won an astounding victory against the Khitains. If the Song dynasty has seized that opportunity and recover the 16 prefectures of Yan Yun in one fell swoop instead of agreeing to a treaty in which the VICTOR pays the LOSER TRIBUTE!!! :blink:
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Posted 07 June 2004 - 05:39 PM

My favorite emperors are Han Gaozu and Kangxi of Qing Dynasty.

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Posted 12 June 2004 - 10:27 PM

Kangxi is one of the greatest emperor in Qing Dynasty. Without him there would be rebellion everywhere. Taiwan would not be part of China too.
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#25 Borjigin Ayurbarwada

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Posted 17 June 2004 - 12:35 PM

Although many will disagree, I used to like Tang Tai Zong and Kang xi the best until I had a great look at emperor Yong zheng. He is now my favourite in any case. He is the hardest working emperor in Chinese history with only 4 hour of sleep a day from 12 pm-4 am. All other time is dedicated to the work on administration, stamp out corruption, carry out reforms and refilling the national treasury. During the begining of his reign the national treasury was almost empty from Kangxi's exessive political moves. By the end of Yong Zheng's reign the national terasury had increased by nearly tenfolds. Yong Zheng's sucesses and administartion paved the way for Qian Long's greatness and conquest as well as prosperity. In term of lavishness Yong Zhengg is also one of the least in Chinese hsitory, he only had a handful of palace eunuchs and ladies. He only had 9 child and 3 sons! Compared to all those concubines and children that Kangxi, Qian Long and the pig Ming emperors as well as earlier emperors have this is a incredible small amount in any soverign standard.

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Posted 18 June 2004 - 06:05 AM

Although many will disagree, I used to like Tang Tai Zong and Kang xi the best until I had a great look at emperor Yong zheng. He is now my favourite in any case. He is the hardest working emperor in Chinese history with only 4 hour of sleep a day from 12 pm-4 am. All other time is dedicated to the work on administration, stamp out corruption, carry out reforms and refilling the national treasury. During the begining of his reign the national treasury was almost empty from Kangxi's exessive political moves. By the end of Yong Zheng's reign the national terasury had increased by nearly tenfolds. Yong Zheng's sucesses and administartion paved the way for Qian Long's greatness and conquest as well as prosperity. In term of lavishness Yong Zhengg is also one of the least in Chinese hsitory, he only had a handful of palace eunuchs and ladies. He only had 9 child and 3 sons! Compared to all those concubines and children that Kangxi, Qian Long and the pig Ming emperors as well as earlier emperors have this is a incredible small amount in any soverign standard.

You might want to watch the chinese drama "Yong Zheng dynasty" which has a good biosketch of both Kangxi and YongZheng. The state coffer was basically zero, but by the end of reign of YongZheng (Qian long's era), China was the richest empire in the world. This was largely a result of Yong Zheng.
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Posted 18 June 2004 - 02:39 PM

Yes, I've watched that series. Although there are some great historical inaccuracies. Nien Gen Yao was never that powerful although he was indeed under great favour of Yong Zheng and lgeneral of a large army, and Yong Zheng only trusted his thirteenth brother Yin Xian not his 8th. Unlike the tv series, the 8th brother never got a high office, and Yong Zheng in real history killed a lot of his brothers.

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Posted 18 June 2004 - 05:40 PM

So how did Yong Zheng die? His death is much like Huang Taiji's death, so sudden and mysterious. Some say that Yong Zheng was assassinated by pugilists...(hahaha) :D
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Posted 18 June 2004 - 07:47 PM

...and his head was missing? :lol: I think maybe he died of an unspeakable disease.

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Posted 18 June 2004 - 11:06 PM

So how did Yong Zheng die? His death is much like Huang Taiji's death, so sudden and mysterious. Some say that Yong Zheng was assassinated by pugilists...(hahaha) :D

According to the chinese drama "Yongzhen dynasty", Yongzhen died of illness and fatigue on the table, while he was working..Yong zhen really worked hard to bring Chinese wealth.
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