Jump to content


Photo
* * * * * 1 votes

Zheng He Treasure Ship Models


  • Please log in to reply
40 replies to this topic

#1 hansioux

hansioux

    State Undersecretary (Shangshu Lang 尚书郎)

  • CHF Rookie Member
  • 604 posts

Posted 16 March 2005 - 05:50 PM

Posted Image

Posted Image

These ships are very beautiful.
Begging plea of the weak can only receive disrespect, violence and oppression as bestowments. Blood and sweat of the weak can only receive insult, blame and abuse as rewards.

Lai Ho, Formosan Poet

#2 Gubook Janggoon

Gubook Janggoon

    Emperor (Huangdi 皇帝)

  • Master Scholar (Juren)
  • 2,250 posts
  • Interests:Korean history (Plus Asian history in general), European history, U.S. history, Pretending to speak Spanish, and Pirates
  • Main Interest in CHF:
    Chinese History

Posted 16 March 2005 - 06:51 PM

Like I said at AE, awe-inspiring.
"Don't be in a hurry to condemn because he doesn't do what you do or think as you think or as fast. There was a time when you didn't know what you know today." -Malcolm X

#3 Guest_stupidumboy_*

Guest_stupidumboy_*
  • Guest

Posted 16 March 2005 - 09:17 PM

Its very amazing that Ming dynasty had shipmaking technology to produce 150 meters long Junk ships -it can be matched to the 8,000 tons ships today.

They produced over 250' numbers of 8,000 tons ships in 15 C.
(about 2,000,000 tons weighs)
Even modern days -its not easy plan considering the fact that British empire's total ship amount in 18 C weighted about 750,000 tons.

I have to show my great respectation not only to their technology but also their challenging mind to direct that huge plan.

#4 hansioux

hansioux

    State Undersecretary (Shangshu Lang 尚书郎)

  • CHF Rookie Member
  • 604 posts

Posted 16 March 2005 - 09:29 PM

One thing that I noticed is that the sail masks often comes in odd numbers. Like Zheng He's ships has either 3 or 5.

Why is that?
Begging plea of the weak can only receive disrespect, violence and oppression as bestowments. Blood and sweat of the weak can only receive insult, blame and abuse as rewards.

Lai Ho, Formosan Poet

#5 snowybeagle

snowybeagle

    Sentinel of the Southern Star (鎮南星)

  • CHF Han Lin Scholar
  • 5,198 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Singapore
  • Main Interest in CHF:
    Chinese History

Posted 16 March 2005 - 09:37 PM

One thing that I noticed is that the sail masks often comes in odd numbers.  Like Zheng He's ships has either 3 or 5.

Why is that?


Perhaps one mast must always be located at the centre. Having uneven number of masts between centre and stern and between centre and bow does not seem to balance the ship.

#6 hansioux

hansioux

    State Undersecretary (Shangshu Lang 尚书郎)

  • CHF Rookie Member
  • 604 posts

Posted 16 March 2005 - 09:55 PM

Perhaps one mast must always be located at the centre. Having uneven number of masts between centre and stern and between centre and bow does not seem to balance the ship.

 


That could be it! Thanks. I suppose when storm comes, even if even numbers of masts are placed evenly, when knocked out of the center of gravity, it just creates mre torque.
Begging plea of the weak can only receive disrespect, violence and oppression as bestowments. Blood and sweat of the weak can only receive insult, blame and abuse as rewards.

Lai Ho, Formosan Poet

#7 Guest_stupidumboy_*

Guest_stupidumboy_*
  • Guest

Posted 16 March 2005 - 11:09 PM

I think we need to look back the southern soong period -the Ming's decent technology for shipbuilding and voyage can find its origin from the southern soong,

Marcopolo was surprised by the big size of the ship in hangzhou
The technology of direction rudder and compass for voyage were develpoed by Soong (宋) first time in the world.

Ming can develpoed soong's inherited technology and they were able to used more resources for the plan.

#8 Grigori

Grigori

    Grand Tutor (Taifu 太傅)

  • CHF Rookie Member
  • 334 posts

Posted 21 March 2005 - 05:49 AM

Some other images:

Posted Image

Posted Image

#9 Richard

Richard

    Prefect (Taishou 太守)

  • CHF Rookie Member
  • 10 posts

Posted 03 April 2005 - 12:05 PM

I have been searching the net for info, book titles and photos of the Zheng Ho fleet and all of the various types of ships it contained and found a variety of different interpretations, including those on this thread. Fascinating! However, I have yet to find the sources or documentation for these different interpretations and models.

Who are the leading scholars or historians who are investigating the structure of the Zheng He ships and how can I contact them? Unfortunately, I do not speak Chinese.

Thanks for your help,

Richard

Edited by Richard, 22 February 2007 - 09:38 AM.


#10 seamonk

seamonk

    County Magistrate (Xianling 县令)

  • CHF Rookie Member
  • 8 posts

Posted 06 December 2005 - 01:56 AM

Hi all, I newbie seamonk here would like to look for 1 Zheng He main fleet wooden ship model, anyone know any place or website selling it? Thx a lot.

#11 Liang Jieming

Liang Jieming

    Ingénieur chinois de siège

  • CHF Han Lin Scholar
  • 7,251 posts
  • Location:in the distant past, changing your future...
  • Interests:Ancient History with emphasis on the sciences, technological and engineering achievements and milestones. Areas of interest include Mesopotamian, Chinese, Roman, English and Central American history.
  • Main Interest in CHF:
    Ancient Chinese Arsenals
  • Specialisation / Expertise:
    Ancient Siege Weaponry

Posted 06 December 2005 - 03:03 AM

Posted Image

#12 seamonk

seamonk

    County Magistrate (Xianling 县令)

  • CHF Rookie Member
  • 8 posts

Posted 06 December 2005 - 04:10 AM

Hi Bro Liang Jieming, me also M'sian and working in S'pore now.

Where U got those Zheng He ship model pic from, is really awesome, pretty, wonderful man..... Do U know anywhere in SG selling those ship model?

Btw, care to intro urself a bit?

#13 naruwan

naruwan

    Emperor (Huangdi 皇帝)

  • CHF Grand Historian Award
  • 2,156 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Main Interest in CHF:
    Chinese Language
  • Specialisation / Expertise:
    Taiwanese History and Culture, Taiwanese Holo language, Chinese Pseudo history

Posted 06 December 2005 - 04:11 AM

Posted Image


wow the size of those models, i guess i should have said i wish i can get one in my pool...
mudanin kata mudanin kata. kata siki-a kata siki-a. muhaiv ludun muhaiv ludun. kanta sipal tas-tas kanta sipal tas-tas. kanta sipal tunuh kanta sipal tunuh. sikavilun vini daingaz sikavilun vini daingaz.

Former hansioux

#14 seamonk

seamonk

    County Magistrate (Xianling 县令)

  • CHF Rookie Member
  • 8 posts

Posted 06 December 2005 - 04:23 AM

Ya men, dunno where can I got chance to see those ships, it look so beautiful, I only happen to saw 1 in KL, but the workmanship not so good, but the whole ship just look cool compare to others ship that he have in the shop.

#15 Liang Jieming

Liang Jieming

    Ingénieur chinois de siège

  • CHF Han Lin Scholar
  • 7,251 posts
  • Location:in the distant past, changing your future...
  • Interests:Ancient History with emphasis on the sciences, technological and engineering achievements and milestones. Areas of interest include Mesopotamian, Chinese, Roman, English and Central American history.
  • Main Interest in CHF:
    Ancient Chinese Arsenals
  • Specialisation / Expertise:
    Ancient Siege Weaponry

Posted 06 December 2005 - 10:03 PM

Hi seamonk,

I took pictures of those from the Zhenghe 1421 exhibit when it was here a few months back. You can still see the Maritime exhibit at the National Library at Bras Basah if you like. They have some of the same models there on the 10? floor, and a large Baochuan at the entrance foyer.

Which part of M'sia are your from?




1 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 1 guests, 0 anonymous users