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#1 yazgar


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Posted 26 January 2009 - 11:50 AM

was yuan sho a member of the han because in the game dnasty warriors he keeps saying he royaland stuff but i didnt quite know for sure?

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Posted 26 January 2009 - 02:42 PM

You should never trust Dynasty Warriors, but you can generally trust the Wikipedia articles to give you the facts. Yuan Shao's family was not royalty, but it was very prestigious in Yuan Shao's lifetime because it had a history of several generations of high public service over a period of about 100 years. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuan_Shao
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Posted 26 January 2009 - 02:52 PM

was yuan sho a member of the han because in the game dnasty warriors he keeps saying he royaland stuff but i didnt quite know for sure?

As I have learned, what Yun speaks is the truth, Koei's video game version of the Three Kingdoms is not to be taken for fact. Remember this and if you are interested in learning the real history of the Three Kingdoms, you must do as I did, and am still doing, which is to forget everything in the game, and focus on the truth.

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Posted 26 February 2009 - 08:27 PM


Well I realize I have been gone for some time from CHF, but if I could I would like to add to this topic (even if it is a month old).

Yun has it right about Yuan Shao but I would like to expand on that. The Yuan clan of Ru'nan during the Later Han gained its prestigious position as a result of the service of Yuan An (styled Shaogang) who ultimately attained the office of Minister over the Masses under Emperor Zhang and Emperor He. His descendants near monopolized the highest positions of state (the Three Excellencies) for about a century. Where Yuan Shao comes in is pretty interesting.

His father was Yuan Feng, the Minister of Agriculture, his mother was a house maid in the Yuan mansion in Ruyang County (the ancestral seat of the clan). But Yuan Feng had no heirs and was quite pleased to have a son to succeed him, so he elevated the maid to concubine status. Later on Yuan Feng had other children, including Yuan Shu, and in the interest of the continuing the family name he 'donated' his eldest son for posthumous adoption by Yuan Cheng (styled Wenkai), his (Feng's) elder brother. Yuan Cheng had been head of the clan, but died early and without heirs. By making Yuan Shao the son of Yuan Cheng the elder bloodline would live on, and Shao became held of the clan in time.

This infuriated Yuan Shu, who was full of himself and took great pride in his blood line. Yuan Shu's mother, while also a concubine, was of high birth. This led to their famous quarrel. At one point the two men could not stand to attend family meetings peacefully, since Yuan Shu would always raise a ruckus by yelling "Oh look! Its Benchu the family slave!" which led to him doubting his brother/cousin's paternity. This angered Yuan Shao greatly.

Also of interest is that Yuan Shao was actually something of a drifter in his youth, forcing himself into self exile following the death of his mother. Shao refused to meet anyone unless they were famed across China, but later ended up making friends with many of his future allies (and enemies) in his journeys. Cao Cao was one such person, and together the two men became known for a somewhat wild temperament, crashing weddings for instance. Eventually Yuan Shao straightened out after being upbraided by his uncle, Yuan Wei, for his actions and attitude. By the time of the Succession Crisis of 189 he had risen to ADC under Grand General He Jin.
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Posted 01 March 2009 - 08:04 PM

Some high officials such as the Three Excellencies (三公) were enfeoffed as marquises with marquisate fiefs, but the Yuan family would not be considered royalty just because of such noble titles. The imperial Liu family included the emperor, his wife (although the empress's position and that of her consort clan was rather insecure), his sons and daughters, brothers, brother's sons, paternal uncles, and paternal cousins. Someone correct me if there are a few more relatives that should be included.

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Posted 01 December 2009 - 04:06 AM

So, Yuan Shu was also a son of Yuan Feng, but not Yuan Feng's brother (Yuan Cheng) as stated in Wiki, right?
Who is older? Yuan Shu or Yuan Shao.
Please help carify it.

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