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#1 LongMa

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Posted 01 September 2009 - 11:10 AM

This is an interesting story, it is sad she has to suffer because of her parents immoral actions. Then again, I was told many times on this site that based on history and the current government in China someone who acts Han is Han and China is a multiethnic nation, no longer a Han dominated empire, so what is the issue? Isn't this girl just Shanghainese? :huh:

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Participating in the competition reality show “Let’s Go! Oriental Angels” (加油!东方天使) on Dragon TV, Lou Jing (娄婧) recently became popular on the Chinese internet because of the brutal comments and attacks online over her ethnic background and her skin color.

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After Lou Jing’s mother was married, she had sex with a black man. The black man returned back to the United States, left Lou Jing’s mother pregnant with her. After Lou Jing was born, mother divorced the original husband, alone raising this special girl. Lou Jing also expressed that the person she loves the most in her whole life is her mother. Because of Lou Jing’s birth story, soon after she and her mother were viciously insulted by the netizens all over the country.

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On August 28th, netizens’ debate over Lou Jing’s controversy grew more intensely. A netizen named “朕爱天下” posted a post with the title “Lou Jing’s American Black Father and Shanghai Mother”, attracted over 100,000 views. Many netizens viciously insulted Lou Jing’s mother in the post comments, of course others were outraged by the racist and ignorant comments, fighting back to protect Lou Jing and her mother. Below is the translation of this post and selected comments.

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After Lou Jing’s mother was married, she had sexual relation with a black man. The black man went back to the United States, leaving Lou Jing’s mother with the unborn child. After Lou Jing was born, her mother got a divorce. But Lou Jing’s story did not end with her performance; her black skin became everyone’s focus. Lou Jing and her mother for the first time publicly responded to this sensitive topic. Lou Jing’s mother is from Shanghai, father is a black American. Later his father left them and never returned. Lou Jing at a young age lived in a single parent family without a father.

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This show not only had excellent performance, but also told the unforgettable story. “Chocolate” girl Lou Jing’s skin color lets people mistaken her for a foreigner. In fact, she is an outright Shanghai girl, and she speaks fluent Shanghai dialect. On the stage, studying under “the Yue Prince” Zhao Zhigang (赵志刚), Jing Lou sang a classic Shanghai opera piece (a famous sense from the novel “Dream of the Red Chamber”).

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Shanghai people’s value plunges.
A B******, brought her out to show off because of the foreigner descent.

The girl is ok, her mom is a prostitute, married and still mess around with black guy, maybe it’s the great “love”, it’s a pity the black guy was just playing her, Chinese girls please have some self-respect.

Her mother still has the face to go on stage, she is shameless, and this kind of thing is definitely scandals you should keep in the family. She still dares to go on stage, maybe she does not feel ashamed, instead feels proud.

Is this the legend of the B******? And an unwanted B******, Her mother is a shameless woman, pregnant by a black guy, and then abandoned, was it good when he was pleasing you? Still obsessed with him after several decades? Not feel ashamed, even go on TV to look, looking for what? Looking for lost big XX? Looking for climax never had again? Shameless! Why are Shanghai women always the target of criticism? It’s because of shameless bitch like her!
Dragon TV please help this B****** find her family. Let the black father with a big XX hurry back, address this old woman’s needs!
Black Dad, come back soon! Someone cannot forget your big XX.

This woman has no sense of shame, married and you cheat, give birth to a black kid so there is no way to hide, if wasn’t for that her husband will have to raise their children. Cheap is the word, in order to run with a foreigner, even do with black people.

There are countless comments like above with only a few neutral comments, but mainly saying it’s not the girls fault…

Why all people in here are like this? What kind of world is this!!!!

Her mother, I don’t know. But everyone is discriminate against blacks? If her father is white, what will you say then?

People, please be kind, girl herself is not wrong. Why can’t she go on TV? F* that, I cannot help but to curse. I think even she is a little dark, but very cute~
You guys are a group of twisted people.


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Edited by LongMa, 01 September 2009 - 12:21 PM.

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Posted 01 September 2009 - 12:21 PM

The Chinese Language Netizens are full of very cruel and dirty comments towards just about every topic I could think of. English and other languages too but my overall point is the internet in general is just full of trash. Many online personalities are also quite different from their actual character when you meet or know them in person. Either that or it's their dark and ignorant side expressing.

Sometimes I think some of these folks need a dosage of reality check. This is controversial for sure but for many people out there, "Chinese-ness" of where-ever region, isn't define by skin color and looks per se. It is primarily about family, or strong relationships you could say. Maybe some people need to open their minds and take a trip to Latin America/Caribbean or maybe certain countries in Africa and see for themselves who are the "Chinese" if citizenship, birthplace, residency or blood relations isn't enough.

Sorry.

I just realize my post may have little to do with the actual big issues, like scolding the mother and building prejudice towards black people or other related topics, so just take my comment very lightly or ignore it completely.

Edited by Gan, 01 September 2009 - 12:32 PM.


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Posted 01 September 2009 - 12:25 PM

I would say she is very pretty compared to the most black girls I see on the street here. She may have a bright future in China as long as she put more personal effort. She is exotic to Chinese people after all.

The thing she will suffer most is that her birth father hasn't stood out yet. I have heard many stories about black guys abandoning their mixed children and disappearing ever in China. It will be a great shame if Chinese people build up such a stereotype about black men.

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Posted 01 September 2009 - 01:05 PM

The Chinese Language Netizens are full of very cruel and dirty comments towards just about every topic I could think of. English and other languages too but my overall point is the internet in general is just full of trash. Many online personalities are also quite different from their actual character when you meet or know them in person. Either that or it's their dark and ignorant side expressing.

Sometimes I think some of these folks need a dosage of reality check. This is controversial for sure but for many people out there, "Chinese-ness" of where-ever region, isn't define by skin color and looks per se. It is primarily about family, or strong relationships you could say. Maybe some people need to open their minds and take a trip to Latin America/Caribbean or maybe certain countries in Africa and see for themselves who are the "Chinese" if citizenship, birthplace, residency or blood relations isn't enough.

Sorry.

I just realize my post may have little to do with the actual big issues, like scolding the mother and building prejudice towards black people or other related topics, so just take my comment very lightly or ignore it completely.



No need to apologize, I agree.

What I think is that people who want to complain are more likely to go to the internet to do so.

Cowards who think nasty things are more likely to express it anonymously on the net than say it with their true name attached. So I'm not sure if this is how average people really think and they just dare say it on the net or if this is a minority.

Edited by LongMa, 01 September 2009 - 01:05 PM.

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Posted 01 September 2009 - 01:10 PM

I would say she is very pretty compared to the most black girls I see on the street here. She may have a bright future in China as long as she put more personal effort. She is exotic to Chinese people after all.

The thing she will suffer most is that her birth father hasn't stood out yet. I have heard many stories about black guys abandoning their mixed children and disappearing ever in China. It will be a great shame if Chinese people build up such a stereotype about black men.



I don't know if her story would be much different with the Netzins. There is a famous singer in Japan, Crystal Kay.

Her father is a black American, her mother is a Korean (but she was born in Japan). I have never heard of such nasty treatment of her on Japanese websites.

http://en.wikipedia....iki/Crystal_Kay

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The situation is different though. Crystal Kay's parents are married, her mother did not cheat on an ex-husband who was Japanese. Still, I think it is also that Japan is just more open, they have had contact with Americans (including blacks) for over 50 years and there have been other mixed race people (including people part black) who have been famous in Japan (usually in sports or entertainment) so Crystal Kay is not shocking.

Actually her story is very interesting because she is a famous Japanese pop singer and she is not Japanese at all, ethnically. She is part African AMerican/Korean. LOL
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Posted 01 September 2009 - 04:18 PM

The Chinese Language Netizens are full of very cruel and dirty comments towards just about every topic I could think of. English and other languages too but my overall point is the internet in general is just full of trash. Many online personalities are also quite different from their actual character when you meet or know them in person. Either that or it's their dark and ignorant side expressing.


Yep. That's pretty much the case. Forums like CHF are a rarity on the internet these days.

Of course, people who are more towards the trash end tends to spend an excessive amount of time online anyway, this is especially the case in mainland China. Even when better people spend a lot of time online, they don't direct their free time towards such trash ends.

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Posted 01 September 2009 - 04:25 PM

I would say she is very pretty compared to the most black girls I see on the street here. She may have a bright future in China as long as she put more personal effort. She is exotic to Chinese people after all.

The thing she will suffer most is that her birth father hasn't stood out yet. I have heard many stories about black guys abandoning their mixed children and disappearing ever in China. It will be a great shame if Chinese people build up such a stereotype about black men.


1) I hope you are right about her future.

2) I think men who do not support their children should be seriously punished, that being said, we don't know the situation. I've been an ex-pat in two Asian nations and I can tell you something about what goes on.

It is not unusual that these men never expect to have long term relationships with these women. Since this woman was married that is likely the case. This man might not have planned to be in China long and may have gotten this woman pregnant and not have known it when he left. She might have had no way to get in touch with him. It is not odd for a foreign men not to leave his real information with these women. So this man might not even know he has a daughter, this woman might not even know the mans real last name.

3) I have no clue of the situation with black men in China, however when I lived in Japan this situation was not uncommon and it involved all races of men, most of whom were not black. Please see the link below. It became such an issue on OKinawa that they made a special orphanage for half Japanese/American children who were abandoned by both parents.

Unlike the marriage statistics, published divorce figures do not record the nationality of the divorcees, but research shows that separation rates for couples of mixed nationality in the prefecture are extremely high. This has led to one of Okinawa's the most disturbing and normally concealed social problems. Over the past decade, American servicemen have deserted thousands of children and returned to their home country.

Local authorities and researchers have compiled figures for the number of abandoned Amerasian children. It is estimated that there are between 3,900 to 4,000 such children in Okinawa. The figure probably underestimates the true scale of the problem.


http://www.chinahist...mp;qpid=4980956

http://my.glasscity......n Okinawa.htm (pictures here, most of these kids are half white).

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The same is true in South Korea.

http://www.rjkoehler...adoption-story/ (good video)

We also all know that Japanese people abandoned many half and pure Japanese children at the end of WWII in Dongbei and only in the last 20 years have some of them went to Japan to try to find their families. There were an estimated 5,000!

http://www.kyotojour...things/037.html

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Posted 02 September 2009 - 08:06 AM

Well, being half-black in China can't help her case much, but is this always the case with visible ethnic mixtures? Or is it specifically that she is the product of an adulterous relationship, topped with abandonment? Anyway, this isn't her fault. If anything, assuming her "father" knew her mother was married and pregnant, HE is the real "b******" here.
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Posted 03 September 2009 - 08:51 PM

Anyway, this isn't her fault. If anything, assuming her "father" knew her mother was married and pregnant, HE is the real "b******" here.


She was already married and had a affair, how wasn't it her fault??

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Posted 03 September 2009 - 08:58 PM

She was already married and had a affair, how wasn't it her fault??


He means it is not the girls fault, it is definitely blame that can go around with the parents.
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Posted 04 September 2009 - 09:20 AM

Curious how people can so easily judge from their comfortable armchairs in front of a computer as if they are the shining beacons of morality.

Netizens seem to be becoming increasingly volatile these days. If this is the next course of evolution for Netizens, then let us all rot in cyber hell. :rolleyes:

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Posted 04 September 2009 - 11:30 AM

Curious how people can so easily judge from their comfortable armchairs in front of a computer as if they are the shining beacons of morality.

Netizens seem to be becoming increasingly volatile these days. If this is the next course of evolution for Netizens, then let us all rot in cyber hell. :rolleyes:



This is true. Knowing the gender demographics in China and Mainland Chinese people like I do, I would imagine many of these highly critical "netizens" have never had a girlfriend let alone a sexual relationship to be in a position to have to make touch decisions like these.

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Posted 05 September 2009 - 02:31 AM

He means it is not the girls fault, it is definitely blame that can go around with the parents.

Precisely. Of course, that also assumes that the mother told the father that she was married, and then that she was bearing his child.
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Posted 05 September 2009 - 06:27 AM

She was already married and had a affair, how wasn't it her fault??


Then again, who are you to judge her?
Especially in China, I would first double-check whether the marriage was arranged or not.

Those "Chinese netizens" are a funny bunch. They rage about stuff like this as if it`s an issue of national interest and blame the mother for cheating, yet they just display blantant racism.
And, of course, they will never get a woman that hot.

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Posted 06 September 2009 - 02:49 PM

As people who like to view ourselves as intellectuals and perhaps logical, through the course of our lives we'll often enter into situations in which we never thought we'd be in ourselves. It is always easy to judge others, while believing we'd never be in the same situation. From my own experience it is better to always keep in mind that it could have been me. I could have been in the same situation.

There is a saying in my culture that can be translated as something like : "Step over a fallen log, but do not step over a fallen person. A person who has fallen can get back up."
Of course in my culture stepping over someone is considered very disrespectful.

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