I posted this in this folder rather than the pre-Qin folder because I doubt the authencity of the claim.
There is a vast shopping mall named Suntec City in Singapore. In one of the corners of the basement area, there is a Koi pond, which I suppose is being maintained by the adjacent store selling aquarium-related products.
The Koi fish is a species of the Carp, and is known as the Li (鲤) in Chinese.
In one of the larger boards next to the pond, it was claimed that the Koi originated from Persia, and was a gift by a Persian king to Confucious for the birth of his first son. I was extremely doubtful because I did not think even by his death was Confucious so famous and esteemed that a foreign king from thousands of miles away would send him a gift on the birth of the first son of Confucious.
But I thought better than seeking clarification from the store-owner.
Then I found some websites reporting the same thing.
http://www.sakks.co.... care part1.htm
Here is an excerpt:
Early records of Koi (Commonly known as Carp) date back some 2,500 years and actually originate from Eastern Asia in the Black, Azov, Caspian and Aral Seas - and from China, where the earliest written record of these fish is found. With the birth of the first son of the great Chinese philosopher Confucius (551-479?BC), he was presented with a Koi by King Shoko of Ro. Confucius named his son after this fish, as it was considered a symbol of strength; allegedly it was the only fish able to swim up the falls of the Yellow River In 533BC
Koi were introduced to Japan with the invading Chinese, and the first account of them being kept in Japan, apparently by the Emperor dates back to AD 200
In the 17th Century the rice farmers of Yamakoshigo, a village in the Niigata prefecture on the North Western coast of mainland Japan, introduced these carp into their irrigation ponds to supplement their diet of rice. Farmers found some carp with red markings and over time these were developed into the modern Nishikigoi. This led to the Niigata region becoming established as the centre of the Koi growing industry.
I want to seek if anyone can explain the origins of some of the claims.
Claim Number One : Confucious named his son after the Koi fish.
Confucious did have a son by the name of Kong Li (孔鲤).
According to both
the boy was named after a carp fish presented to Confucious by Lord Zhao of Lu (鲁昭公).
Claim Number Two: The carp was from King Shoko of Ro
This implied that the carp was introduced to China from Persia.
I have no means of verifying this, though it was not impossible.
However, I could find no references on any King Shoko, nor what country Ro was supposed to be.
Claim Number Three: The carp was introduced to Japan during a Chinese invasion
One website claimed it was during the Mongol invasion
http://www.koiacres....oi-history.html but the same website claimed it was the Mongols who brought the fish to China during their invasion of China.
also made a claim that the koi was introduced to Japan during Chinese invasion, and a first account of the fish being kept by an emperor of Japan dating back to AD 200.
I suppose there could have been an emperor in Japan in AD 200 but IIRC, written records in Japan only started from 6th century to the 8th century.
I wonder which Chinese dynasty had actually invaded Japan (other than the Yuan which was about 1,000 years after the purported koi being kept by an emperor in Japan).
Edited by snowybeagle, 18 April 2005 - 09:00 AM.