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#16 浪淘音

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Posted 05 May 2005 - 11:53 AM

Nazi imagery is aesthetically appealing. its probably why the propoganda worked so well on the people. No single political movement has had so many symbols from the backwards Swaztika, the iron cross, SS lightning bolts (by the way, each SS division had its own symbol so that equals literally hundreds of symbols)

THough in the end, I know it would be stupid to be wearing Nazi emblems in public, and offensive. That kind of appreciation should be kept in private


i use to wear a Totenkopf death's head keychain on my book bag in high school and to this day, i generally wear Algemeine SS boots when i go out though everyone thinks they are "biker boots"

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Posted 05 May 2005 - 06:14 PM

The term "swastika" alone derives from Sanskrit and Swastika is the second most sacred symbol in Hinduism and the most in Jainism and Buddhism. It's sad that Nazis stole it and now its noble image is tarnished and most are ignorant of its true meaning.

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Posted 09 May 2005 - 12:14 PM

The term "swastika" alone derives from Sanskrit and Swastika is the second most sacred symbol in Hinduism and the most in Jainism and Buddhism.  It's sad that Nazis stole it and now its noble image is tarnished and most are ignorant of its true meaning.

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Indo Europeans did not steal the symbol. its native to most of the cultures Western Europe and the Iranian speaking people of central asia.

the swaztika was brought to India by Sanskrit(an Indo European language) speaking Nomads most likely from Iran (which means land of the Aryans)

Using the Swaztika as an Indo-European centered nationalist movement makes perfect sense since it is one of their oldest symbols.

however, what the nazis did mess up on was assuming these Sanskrit speaking nomads (the "Aryans") were of Nordic stock or some other Norish sub-group which is quite absurd

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Posted 10 May 2005 - 12:11 PM

Indo Europeans did not steal the symbol. its native to most of the cultures Western Europe and the Iranian speaking people of central asia.

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Native to Western European cultures? Really? You learn something everyday. Which cultures in particular?
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Posted 10 May 2005 - 12:24 PM

Native to Western European cultures? Really?  You learn something everyday. Which cultures in particular?

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the sundial(swaztika) has been used by Germanic/Scandinavian people for thousands of years. the symbol came from Iran and despite what people say, they ARE related to the people of Western Europe both by language (Indo European) and blood. The symbol is NOT native to India. its been well known that the northern part of India was conquered by Iranian nomads(the "aryans") in 2000 B.C

the nazis did not steal the symbol from India since it was brought to India by Iranian speaking people

the simple fact is that no matter how PC bullcrap you throw on it or no matter how many non-Indo European people use the symbol, the swaztika (whether backwards or not) is the PERFECT symbol for Indo European-centric movements

the idea that is completely nonsensical however, is the nazi belief that the original Indo Europeans were blonde haired, blue eyed. Its absolute nonsense

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Posted 11 May 2005 - 02:08 PM

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Repro or original? I have a pair of SS boots and hang a moth-eaten Battleflag with bullet holes on my wall. Before you decry me as Nazi, I have a moth-eaten CCCP flag on the the opposite wall.

My collection is purely for aesthetic pleasure, and I don't (usually) bring my militaria out to public, and the HK pictures are pretty appalling.

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repros all the way, if i had originals, i definitely wouldn't wear them out in public simply because they're collectables, not clothing.

i collect alot of WWII German stuff. If you walk into my room, you'll see three main aesthetics

1. Ancient China (swords,bow,Tang/Song/Ming paintings, Han Fu, etc,etc)
2. Music (my guitars, piano, loose sheet music everywhere)
3. WWII German stuff

i use to be very apologetic about #3 but quite frankly, it should be obvious i'm not a nazi :lol:

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Posted 11 May 2005 - 08:01 PM

Indo Europeans did not steal the symbol. its native to most of the cultures Western Europe and the Iranian speaking people of central asia.

The symbol and meaning Hitler chose was stolen, because it's native to a region doesn't mean what was used by a person had the same symbolism as the once used perviously.

the swaztika was brought to India by Sanskrit(an Indo European language) speaking Nomads most likely from Iran (which means land of the Aryans)

Iran was called Persia, do you know why it was changed to Iran? Go google it and you'll know because I don't have the time to explain. Aryans weren't from Iran, it is likely they came from Central Asia but no one know for sure. Iranians, North Indians are both Aryans.

Using the Swaztika as an Indo-European centered nationalist movement makes perfect sense since it is one of their oldest symbols.

It maybe but what Hitler used didn't have the same meaning... like I said before.

however, what the nazis did mess up on was assuming these Sanskrit speaking nomads (the "Aryans") were of Nordic stock or some other Norish sub-group which is quite absurd

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Right, blue eyes, blond ******** is no way related to Aryans hence the link between Indo-European is gone so the link between Swastika is gone so what you talking about?

the sundial(swaztika) has been used by Germanic/Scandinavian people for thousands of years. the symbol came from Iran  and despite what people say, they ARE related to the people of Western Europe both by language (Indo European) and blood. The symbol is NOT native to India. its been well known that the northern part of India was conquered by Iranian nomads(the "aryans") in 2000 B.C

What happened in the Indian sub-continent was not an invasion but a gradual moving in and assimilation of the Aryans. You are wrong, Greek, Romantic, Celtic, Avasta languages are related but the Germanic and Nordic languages are not.

the nazis did not steal the symbol from India since it was brought to India by Iranian speaking people

Iranian speaking people? Iranian[Farsi] didn’t exist back then, Aryans spoke Avasta which later produced Sanskrit.

the simple fact is that no matter how PC bullcrap you throw on it or no matter how many non-Indo European people use the symbol, the swaztika (whether backwards or not) is the PERFECT symbol for Indo European-centric movements

But not if it was used with a meaning that contradicts anything that was it’s original meaning hence the use by Nazis is…

Swastika is used by almost all the civilization known to man kind at least once in their timeline, it is no way belongs to one group of people and the Swastika used by the Nazis is STOLEN from India.

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Posted 11 May 2005 - 11:20 PM

]\ Before you decry me as Nazi, I have a moth-eaten CCCP flag on the the opposite wall.

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a Red Nazi! A commiekraut!
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ooo. I like how Commiekraut sounds...


but back to the post...


What is the link of these central Asian nomads (the Aryans) and Germany?
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#24 浪淘音

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Posted 12 May 2005 - 12:17 AM

The symbol and meaning Hitler chose was stolen, because it's native to a region doesn't mean what was used by a person had the same symbolism as the once used perviously.
Iran was called Persia, do you know why it was changed to Iran?  Go google it and you'll know because I don't have the time to explain.  Aryans weren't from Iran, it is likely they came from Central Asia but no one know for sure.  Iranians, North Indians are both Aryans.
It maybe but what Hitler used didn't have the same meaning... like I said before.
Right, blue eyes, blond ******** is no way related to Aryans hence the link between Indo-European is gone so the link between Swastika is gone so what you talking about?
What happened in the Indian sub-continent was not an invasion but a gradual moving in and assimilation of the Aryans.  You are wrong, Greek, Romantic, Celtic, Avasta languages are related but the Germanic and Nordic languages are not.
Iranian speaking people?  Iranian[Farsi] didn’t exist back then, Aryans spoke Avasta which later produced Sanskrit.
But not if it was used with a meaning that contradicts anything that was it’s original meaning hence the use by Nazis is…

Swastika is used by almost all the civilization known to man kind at least once in their timeline, it is no way belongs to one group of people and the Swastika used by the Nazis is STOLEN from India.

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the swaztika never had a single meaning or use. its' common use among Indo Europeans and its Indo European origin is enough.

Romance, Indo Iranian, Germanic languages,etc are ALL sub branches of Indo European. i don't know where you got the idea that Germanic languages are not part of that group.

the term "Iranian languages" doesn't refer to a single language that is spoken today. its a language group (part of the Indo European). Scythians, Sarmatians, Sogdians, Persians and modern Iranian people speak this language

Northern Indian (Indo Aryan) and all the aforementioned Iranian languages are part of of the Indo Iranian branch of languages. assuming sanskrit was related then the language of the ancient Aryans belong to this category
http://stp.ling.uu.s..._iran lang.html


Iran is known as a middle eastern country now but the concept of Central Asia/Middle East is somewhat sketchy. the nomads like Scythians and Sarmatians that inhabited the grasslands of Northern Iran were "central asian" while Persians are considered "middle eastern"

saying the aryans come from Central Asia does NOT rule out Iran as a possible point of origin. the language of Northern India was transported there by these "Aryan" nomads and the only other point of origin for speakers of this language group (Indo Iranian) is in Iran

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Posted 12 May 2005 - 12:39 AM

I'll suggest you go read up on some facts before we countinue this. I have no time to waste with ignoramuses.

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Posted 12 May 2005 - 12:57 AM

Jina, please lighten up on the personal attacks.
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Posted 12 May 2005 - 01:23 AM

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BTW, my father in his youth was a proud member of the Red Swastika Society.

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Posted 12 May 2005 - 01:45 AM

Don't push it Jina.

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Posted 12 May 2005 - 02:19 AM

Romance, Indo Iranian, Germanic languages,etc are ALL sub branches of Indo European. i don't know where you got the idea that Germanic languages are not part of that group.


Proto Indo-European is thought to have split very early on into Northern European and Asiatic-Southern European branches. The Germanic and Slavic languages came from the Northern European branch.

As for the whole messy question of where the Indo-Europeans originally came from, there is no chance we will get any answer here.
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Posted 12 May 2005 - 11:14 AM

Proto Indo-European is thought to have split very early on into Northern European and Asiatic-Southern European branches. The Germanic and Slavic languages came from the Northern European branch.

As for the whole messy question of where the Indo-Europeans originally came from, there is no chance we will get any answer here.

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thats hardly the point, the point is that everything from Germanic languages to Iranian languages are sub branches of Indo European




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