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#1 Yun

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Posted 07 February 2006 - 10:19 AM

I recently learned a feature that supposedly indicates whether one is of Han descent or not.

1) First, look at your left foot

2) Look for the leftmost front corner of the toenail on your smallest toe (i.e. pinky)

3) Is there an additional point that grows out? (This only applies if you haven't clipped your nail recently)

I do, and apparently all Han people are supposed to. This was told to me by an old friend of my father, and when I told my father he said he had heard about this from other people long ago. One of his friends who has lived among the hill tribes in Burma actually carried out a survey of people's toenails to see if there really is a difference. Supposedly he also found that the tribespeople all didn't have the extra point, but the Han people all did. My father showed me the point on his toenail, while my mother said she always just clips hers off. That's what I've normally done too - I thought it was just a deformity in my toenail.

As far as I can tell, a "split pinky toenail" as the trademark of Han people remains folklore that has not been proven through genetic studies. I'm also not sure if it's supposed to be only the left foot toenail, or both feet. More discussions here: http://www.cantonese...read.php?1,9363
http://www.wutard.com (see blog entry for 29 January)
http://en.wikipedia....wiki/Talk:Hakka
http://en.wikipedia....and_Han_Chinese

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Posted 07 February 2006 - 10:56 AM

I don't think this is a feature of Han as I also have it and I have to clip it otherwise it splits and becomes painful.
But why should Han have something in common while we know that Han is a loose term describing various groups who pratice the same culture?
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Posted 07 February 2006 - 11:23 AM

But why should Han have something in common while we know that Han is a loose term describing various groups who pratice the same culture?


That was my biggest question too - thanks for stating it out. But if this split toenail thing is really that widespread, and exists among the Vietnamese too, then wouldn't that imply a gene that is very dominant?
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Posted 07 February 2006 - 12:39 PM

My toenails are too short to tell. But a part of me wish I don't have it. Then I can say I am not Han! Yes!! :)
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Posted 07 February 2006 - 12:53 PM

That was my biggest question too - thanks for stating it out. But if this split toenail thing is really that widespread, and exists among the Vietnamese too, then wouldn't that imply a gene that is very dominant?


Its entirely possible for 2 persons to have the same gene responsible for certain characteristics to only have 1 person have them while the other person does not.

These expression of the genes can take different forms even in a person with the exact same genetic makeup, e.g. a clone or a twin. You can only say those with the gene is more likely to have a certain characteristic for example.

Also very often many characteristics are expressions of a group of genes, the human genome and the intricacies of genes are very large puzzles being worked on today.
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Posted 07 February 2006 - 04:35 PM

I recently learned a feature that supposedly indicates whether one is of Han descent or not.

1) First, look at your left foot

2) Look for the leftmost front corner of the toenail on your smallest toe (i.e. pinky)

3) Is there an additional point that grows out? (This only applies if you haven't clipped your nail recently)

I do, and apparently all Han people are supposed to. This was told to me by an old friend of my father, and when I told my father he said he had heard about this from other people long ago. One of his friends who has lived among the hill tribes in Burma actually carried out a survey of people's toenails to see if there really is a difference. Supposedly he also found that the tribespeople all didn't have the extra point, but the Han people all did. My father showed me the point on his toenail, while my mother said she always just clips hers off. That's what I've normally done too - I thought it was just a deformity in my toenail.

As far as I can tell, a "split pinky toenail" as the trademark of Han people remains folklore that has not been proven through genetic studies. I'm also not sure if it's supposed to be only the left foot toenail, or both feet. More discussions here: http://www.cantonese...read.php?1,9363
http://www.wutard.com (see blog entry for 29 January)
http://en.wikipedia....wiki/Talk:Hakka
http://en.wikipedia....and_Han_Chinese

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Funny you bring it up, my mom only recently told me when looking at a snapped ring-toe (Is this a real term?) nail. I always assumed that I had toenails like this from a lack of clipper skill :D
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Posted 08 February 2006 - 12:31 AM

I don't think this is a feature of Han as I also have it and I have to clip it otherwise it splits and becomes painful.

The same as me.
Sometimes I was just too lazy to clip it off and I tried to pull all of them from my toe and it's very painful (and bleed) but later it still split...

But why should Han have something in common while we know that Han is a loose term describing various groups who pratice the same culture?

That was my biggest question too - thanks for stating it out. But if this split toenail thing is really that widespread, and exists among the Vietnamese too, then wouldn't that imply a gene that is very dominant?

Then just meant "Mongoloids" had that :D (I can't even state the genes are recessive or dominant)
I don't know how it could be stated to be a characteristic of "Han Chinese", since I believe neighboring tribes also have that kind of characteristics. Perhaps because some "Mongoloids" do not have it?

My toenails are too short to tell. But a part of me wish I don't have it. Then I can say I am not Han! Yes!! :)

You cut your nails so often that no conclucisons can be made... :P

I always assumed that I had toenails like this from a lack of clipper skill :D

Yeah, the same as me. :D

Edited by qrasy, 08 February 2006 - 12:35 AM.

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Posted 06 November 2006 - 09:02 PM

I have them on both feet...:)

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Posted 07 November 2006 - 12:44 AM

I have it on my right pinky toe. So, am I still a Han? :D

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Posted 07 November 2006 - 01:15 AM

I have it on my right pinky toe. So, am I still a Han? :D

I don't have on either, but have been told a birth-mark on your a** is a definitive trademark of being Han.

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Posted 08 November 2006 - 05:32 PM

OK, I tried discussing this with my friends and they totally don't believe me! (They think I've been drinking!) How can I prove it to them? They yelled at me... "PICTURES!!"

Well, where the heck am I going to find pictures?? Does anyone with this trait have a foot picture? (Oh my God, this is sounding so weird... I'm so sorry.) I've searched everywhere on the internet and have descriptions and text, but no pictures. Would it be in a medical journal???

Please help, before my friends send me to the looney bin. They think I'm making this up.

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Posted 09 November 2006 - 12:01 AM

Is there anything to prove that people with this condition are of Han descent?

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Posted 09 November 2006 - 12:36 AM

A myth never scientifically proven to this day,a trivial question since Han is a cultural identity of many Mongoloid ethnicities.

I have a bitsy on both toe-pinkies.

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Posted 25 November 2006 - 01:19 AM

I have heard this from everyone in my mother's side of the family ever since I was 5 and majority of my friends that weren't born in the States also seem to aknowledge this myth/ claim or whatever...

Well... I am a half Manchu (father) and Han (mother)... I suppose my dad's got super strong genes because my older brother, sister, my two little step bros, and I all have that so-called completed peice of pinky toenail where on my mother's side... they all have that additonal piece + my Han Chinese friends so... mmm I guess I am a not a pure Han.

btw... my friend says he Mongolian... I should make him reveal his toes or I will try to stare at it... hope he doesn't think I am weird and all.

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Posted 27 November 2006 - 05:38 AM

A myth never scientifically proven to this day,a trivial question since Han is a cultural identity of many Mongoloid ethnicities.

I have a bitsy on both toe-pinkies.


That is also true. Han was historically a cultural group where natives could become Han by adopting Han culture.

BTW, I don't have that point on my little toenail, even though both sides of my family are Han.

Edited by Ruthless4Life, 27 November 2006 - 05:39 AM.

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